MS to release Xbox 360 with HD-DVD in 2006
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scooby_dooby said:
They better!!! IF its like a usb type where it would sit on top or side of the X360...its not gonna jive. Include that with a possibly $200 drive...why even bother (its more than an after thought). Better yet if MS is serious about the HD-DVD thing then offer an SKU with an internal HD-DVD. Don't be halve stepping....
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expletive said:
I don't think that would be possible. That's why I suggest it will have to be another digital port on the X360 locally to feed an "HDMI adapter". Ethernet is the only one I could think of, as a suggestion.
As for your 2nd point, if they are to allow full resolution hd through analog component, they will have completely left the door wide open for the bootleggers. The bootleggers won't care that they get the most pristine feed to copy- just one good enough to make an hd bootleg.
I'm not saying this option is absolutely impossible from MS, but it would really, really surprise me considering all the attention invested into drm protections for an hd format (referring to either BR or HD-DVD) to appease the movie industry...only to turn around and circumvent that with a simple analog output.
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expletive said:
Only if they're using the XeCPU to decode it and then if we assume the HDMI port has to be on the drive itself, not that it would use the video output fo the X360.
Good chance it will be mostly a standalone unit, which may draw power through the USB 2.0 ports but doesn't really work through the X360 otherwise.
But again, if there is some other kind of expansion bus, then maybe it's not an issue.
It would be easier to stick in a decoder chip on the drive along with an HDMI output.
ihamoitc2005
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See this post for Xbox360 wireless HDMI
http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/showpost.php?p=665025&postcount=43
wco81 said:
See this post for Xbox360 wireless HDMI
http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/showpost.php?p=665025&postcount=43
randycat99 said:I don't think that would be possible. That's why I suggest it will have to be another digital port on the X360 locally to feed an "HDMI adapter". Ethernet is the only one I could think of, as a suggestion.
As for your 2nd point, if they are to allow full resolution hd through analog component, they will have completely left the door wide open for the bootleggers. The bootleggers won't care that they get the most pristine feed to copy- just one good enough to make an hd bootleg.
Yep the ramifications of component arent good but they had been considering it anyway since most HDTV owners out there now dont have an HDCP compliant connection. The idea was for intial players and movies to be able to go over compoment then switch in a few years to mandatory HDMI.
Todd Holmdahl has never said "we cant do HDMI". He's said:
Todd Holmdahl said:
I would almost say hes saying they can make an HDMi cable of some sort but i dont know why he would be so cryptic about it...
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wco81 said:
...after which you pretty much have a full-fledged standalone player, eh?
randycat99 said:...after which you pretty much have a full-fledged standalone player, eh?
Which would come at a price that , imo, WOULD be a problem for them. They really need to have something, that when you add on to the price of the console, is competitive with the price of the PS3 imo.
expletive said:
Well I think that's probably because the solution isn't known yet, but he feels confident that a viable solution can be found down the line. Who knows - new SKU? Kind of how the PS2 slimline made the ethernet port standard. Or maybe they have some sort of adaptor or cable - or they think they will?
Whatever, doesn't matter too much.
MS did what they did to keep costs under control, and there are trade-offs for that. This HD-DVD add-on is both an indicator of trade-off and a clever implementation all at once, and I give them decent marks on the whole thing.
I think it keeps things interesting, and I like the surprises-around-every-corner nature of this next generation of consoles so far.
ihamoitc2005
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Almost.
Nicked said:
Almost.
one said:
It might need its own remote, unless you can send control data over USB or whatever interface they will use to connect the drive to the X360.
Maybe they will use the hard drive port, swap out the HDD for the HD-DVD drive?
But even if they can send control data, current remotes may not have the dedicated controls appropriate to HD-DVD.
Especially the interactive features expected from HD-DVD, using the strategic MS technology iHD, which is one of the purported reasons why they're involved in this war.
AlphaWolf said:
LOL, uh... ok I know how it would be connected.
What I'm saying though is that I don't believe the current power supply of the 360 would be sufficient to run both the 360 and an external next-gen optical drive both at spec. Who knows, I might be wrong. But does anyone know the expected power draw of these first gen violet-laser drives?
xbdestroya said:LOL, uh... ok I know how it would be connected.
What I'm saying though is that I don't believe the current power supply of the 360 would be sufficient to run both the 360 and an external next-gen optical drive both at spec. Who knows, I might be wrong. But does anyone know the expected power draw of these first gen violet-laser drives?
I don't see a reason to think it would use significantly more power than the dvd drive which would be rendered obselete by its presence.
Not even close. ? In fact the full-release makes it sound like they are sending the original analog wirelessly to another TV, input unspecified.ihamoitc2005 said:
Anyway, how moot. Its not like they can actually output HDMI-protected content this way anyway (from X360 anyway, which doesn't output HDMI).
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AlphaWolf said:
But since it's external, wouldn't it in fact still be supplying power to both? And frankly, I would imagine you could actually run both at once if you wanted, even if the source video was only being read from the external.
It's not like a PC drive that you swap out - both of these things are going to be there drawing power. And if there *is* some sort of method via which MS will disable the resident drive, well that's just kind of bogus and strange. Not that it's not valid, but I would just feel weird thinking there was a newly 'dead' component in the system I bought.
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