MS to release Xbox 360 with HD-DVD in 2006

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speng said:
When I say choice, if MS really wanted to give you choice. They'd offer a Blu-Ray drive too :)

If you read a few articles on some of the possibilities as to why MS is pushing HD-DVD you'd see it could be far more profitable for them to keep the battle going and create consumer confusion in the HD format wars.

Speng.

ITs a financial choice at the moment. A la carte, pay for what you want. Choice doesnt have to mean selling your competitors product. But this is only getting started, they may yet offer BR.
 
expletive said:
HD-DVD players launching in Spring at $499. I'm guessing throughout 2006 it will eb at least $100 cheaper. ;)

Good to see that this HD-DVD drive will cost the same amount as the Wi-Fi add-on.
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expletive said:
ITs a financial choice at the moment. A la carte, pay for what you want. Choice doesnt have to mean selling your competitors product. But this is only getting started, they may yet offer BR.

But do they have to be competitors with everything? Even Toshiba is putting CELLs in their TVs.
 
mckmas8808 said:
Good to see that this HD-DVD drive will cost the same amount as the Wi-Fi add-on.
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Well i said it will be at least $100 cheaper, not cost $100. :p (though it probably will eb $100 ;) )

However, I think not having 802.11a might be a problem for streaming HD video to/from down the road.
 
wco81 said:
The interesting technological quesion is, what kind of interface will they use between this external drive and the X360?

Is there an interface fast enough to stream data off the disc and then feed the XeCPU to decode VC-1/H.264/MPEG2?

Streaming the compressed data from the disc shouldn't be a problem for USB2. I think it's got, what, 400 Mb/s to play with? It's the digital feed after decompression from the XeCPU that is the riddle. If there is to be an HDMI output anywhere, there needs to be a digital out that can feed this at full bandwidth. Like I was saying before, this could potentially be in the Gb/s range (say, .5-1.5 Gb/s, if I were to give a plausible range). USB2 would be no match for that. Ethernet link is a possibility, but it will need to be 1+ Gb/s capable. A standard 100 Mb/s NIC won't cut it.
 
expletive said:
USB2.0 is about 480mb/s? The bitrate of HD is maxed out at 34 mb/s? USB is plenty or they could make something that snaps into the HD sata port with a passthrough for your HD.

The compressed video and audio streams may be around 30-40 Mbps.

But the uncompressed video will be way more than that.

That is why the XeCPU wouldn't be involved if they're using USB.
 
expletive said:
Well i said it will be at least $100 cheaper, not cost $100. :p (though it probably will eb $100 ;) )

However, I think not having 802.11a might be a problem for streaming HD video to/from down the road.

Weren't everybody complaining about MS's high pricing with accessories? So, why will the HD-DVD add-on be cheap (relative speaking)?
 
randycat99 said:
Streaming the compressed data from the disc shouldn't be a problem for USB2. I think it's got, what, 400 Mb/s to play with? It's the digital feed after decompression from the XeCPU that is the riddle. If there is to be an HDMI output anywhere, there needs to be a digital out that can feed this at full bandwidth. Like I was saying before, this could potentially be in the Gb/s range (say, .5-1.5 Gb/s, if I were to give a plausible range). USB2 would be no match for that. Ethernet link is a possibility, but it will need to be 1+ Gb/s capable. A standard 100 Mb/s NIC won't cut it.

Why would an HDMI port need to be fed with anythign more than the aggregate bandwidth of the video and audio stream (which would be 34 mb/s for HD video and less than that for the audio)?

EDIT:nm wco pointed it out...
 
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mckmas8808 said:
But do they have to be competitors with everything? Even Toshiba is putting CELLs in their TVs.

Didn't Toshiba help with the design of Cell and is also helping manufacture it??? you're not making any sense.
 
mckmas8808 said:
Weren't everybody complaining about MS's high pricing with accessories? So, why will the HD-DVD add-on be cheap (relative speaking)?

Probably because the intend to compete with Sony on price and cant have the console plus this, exceed the price of the PS3. Just my guess though.
 
AzBat said:


that thing, the Nintendo Disc (which was one of the last variants of the SNES CD-ROM) officially contained a 21 MHz (RISC?) CPU, a CD-ROM controller (called HANDS) to help with loading, and perhaps better graphics hardware (that part is unofficial) and boosted the SNES into a 32-bit console.

the HD-DVD for Xbox360 sounds just like a movie player. it does not boost 360's core chipset specifications
 
expletive said:
Why would an HDMI port need to be fed with anythign more than the aggregate bandwidth of the video and audio stream (which would be 34 mb/s for HD video and less than that for the audio)?

Full bandwidth digital video is the whole point of HDMI (aside from copy protection)- it's used on the "decompressed" side, rather than the "compressed" side of the chain. Otherwise, a standalone HD-DVD player would simply be an optical drive and the HDTV would have to do the decoding. I don't think that's what they intend for the video medium of the future. What you suggest, otoh, does make more sense, though. 34 Mb/s is certainly a whole lot easier to pass over a wire than 1 Gb/s. ;) Full bandwidth digital video over a copper wire is utter madness, imo. ;) (...but it seems that is what the industry has accepted, nonetheless...)
 
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i bet you it will snap on to the bottom of the 360, and come with a new faceplate to give the unit the appearence of one piece, plugs into the usb 2.0 port. that would actually be pretty slick, about 1" taller with the hd-dvd logo, but judging by the $40 CAD pos wired headset I saw at futureshop today, the price of this thing is gonna be steep, $200+

i guess they could sell the media edition, faceplate included, bundled with hd-dvd, then core, then premium. holy shit, so all the 3 SKU rumors were right all along...external drive though HA! It's actually not too bad as everything is upgradeable, and the 360 as a core always functions as a game machine/vista extender.
 
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randycat99 said:
Full bandwidth digital video is the whole point of HDMI (aside from copy protection). Otherwise, a standalone HD-DVD player would simply be an optical drive and the HDTV would have to do the decoding. I don't think that's what they intend for the video medium of the future. What you suggest, otoh, does make more sense, though. 34 Mb/s is certainly a whole lot easier to pass over a wire than 1 Gb/s. ;) Full bandwidth digital video over a copper wire is utter madness, imo. ;) (...but it seems that is what the industry has accepted, nonetheless...)

Ya sorry i edited my response above, wco pointed it out earlier. Nah it would send the uncompressed video over HDMI, you're right. I have to let this sink in... :)
 
Megadrive1988 said:
that thing, the Nintendo Disc (which was one of the last variants of the SNES CD-ROM) officially contained a 21 MHz (RISC?) CPU, a CD-ROM controller (called HANDS) to help with loading, and perhaps better graphics hardware (that part is unofficial) and boosted the SNES into a 32-bit console.

the HD-DVD for Xbox360 sounds just like a movie player. it does not boost 360's core chipset specifications

"Sounds" and "it does not" ? You somehow know more than us? LOL I was just posting the image for humor's sake. I just think it's funny that Sony fans are making fun of an optical add-on drive when if it wasn't for the SNES add-on there would have never been a PlayStation, PlayStation2 or PlayStation3. If Microsoft's HD-DVD add-on drive is made by Toshiba, then Sony and Microsoft better watch out for the next-gen! LOL

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expletive said:
Probably because the intend to compete with Sony on price and cant have the console plus this, exceed the price of the PS3. Just my guess though.

I love to understand why a controller would cost half the price as a full out HD-DVD drive.
 
randycat99 said:
Streaming the compressed data from the disc shouldn't be a problem for USB2. I think it's got, what, 400 Mb/s to play with? It's the digital feed after decompression from the XeCPU that is the riddle. If there is to be an HDMI output anywhere, there needs to be a digital out that can feed this at full bandwidth. Like I was saying before, this could potentially be in the Gb/s range (say, .5-1.5 Gb/s, if I were to give a plausible range). USB2 would be no match for that. Ethernet link is a possibility, but it will need to be 1+ Gb/s capable. A standard 100 Mb/s NIC won't cut it.

So youre saying the uncompressed data stream would ahve to come BACK through the USB2 port? I guess 2 obvious answers (without requireing a fully functional HD-DVD player in the add-on) would be:

1. That the 360 can output HDMI by some means.
2. the HD-DVD consortium are going to allow the sigal out over component video
 
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