MS not to reach 3 million in 90 days Target
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scooby_dooby
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fulcizombie said:
N3 according to peter moore isn't even scheduled for NA release at this point in time, it's still to be decided. So you're just plain wrong. It was developed as a japanese game, to move japanese consoles.
I agree it's a no brainer to move this game over to NA, but apparently MS has their head up their ass, bottom line though this game was designed for Japanese.
I have to agree with Nicked, MS is pulling out many stops to secure japan, and while they may not add up to yje acquisition of rare, that's like comparing apples and oranges. Rare's is a worldwide developer, they have a portfolio of existing IP's, and are just an addition to the 1st party fleet, it can't be interpreted as some sort of bid to secure europe.
in japan are we seeing some of MS's most aggressive moves, 50million+ for mistwalker titles, rumours of a huge SE payout and more, other than the USA the have dedicated more resources to securing japan than any other single country in the world.
Joe DeFuria
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I seriously contemplated getting one and then offering it for sale at cost + shipping here...and if no one wanted it doing the e-bay thing....but then I figured I wouldn't be able to resist opening it and trying it....and then keeping it myself. 
I promised myself I'd wait at least until the first round of price cuts....
I promised myself I'd wait at least until the first round of price cuts....
Joe DeFuria said:
Link please? I've been checking everyday for the last 2 weeks, and every model shows SOLD OUT, including ridiculous bundles like the $1800 one.
Also, "stacks" at Toys R Us = Pre Orders. I went to Toys R Us on launch day, they said everything was pre-sold. With people even lining up outside stores like Sears for *5* units, I find the idea that XB360 units are just sitting around unbought, and I simply am not looking hard enough to be pretty insulting.
If Microsoft's launch was so perfectly executed, why weren't they able to fulfill all the pre-orders? Oh I know, everything was retailers fault. Oh, and Vista is not delayed, it's simply all in MS's master plan to ship an OS with features years after OS X implemented them better, and drop most of the features they said would be in Longhorn. MS can do no wrong.
Hardknock said:
If MS had production difficulties, they would have known several months prior to launch and could have lowered specs then to cope, or delayed the launch. Nintendo lowered Gamecube's specs just prior to launch in order to hit on time, and Sega followed a rather Xbox 360 approach with the Saturn by launching it before supply was ready. Sega managed to piss off game developers and retailers with this, did not gain any big lead from this (though the Sega name alone did give them a small initial lead over Sony for the 1st year or two), and got swept by the PSX and N64. Now, if history were to repeat itself, you'd see Revolution neck and neck with the 360 for a while until the Revolution starts getting some killer apps, then the Revolution will blow past the 360 and never look back. The Playstation 3 will enjoy a large initial success, blowing away the sales of the other two for the beginning of the gen, but ultimately being surpassed by a cheaper (more in foreign markets than America) Revolution. I don't expect things to turn out like this at all, but this is a big mess up that will cost Microsoft severely.
Not to mention Microsoft effectively killed their prelaunch hype by not having enough units. I know a lot of people who were planning on getting a 360, realized that supply will make that impossible for months, realized the 360 has no killer apps, and decided just to wait for Playstation 3 instead.
Personally, upon realizing that I don't want to touch a 360 right now (the noise levels and overheating make me go bleh, and I'd rather wait until these are complete non-issues, even if they only effect 1% of the units now, what happens as dust starts to clog the fans or the motors wear out?) and that the only thing that appeals to me about it is that the games are finally in high res, I've become very excited over Revolution. If 360 is only going to have PC style games to offer, well I can have a high end PC for that with the purchase of a readily available video card for the same price as the unavailable 360, and I'll get my fix for different type of games from Revolution. I'll pick up a 360 if it starts getting some worthwhile exclusives and when they rerelease it on a 65nm process. That'll happen sometime in 2007 I presume.
Joe DeFuria
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DemoCoder said:
I guess you missed it. I am telling you the God's honest truth that at the time I wrote my last post in this thread, almost all of the core bundles, and a couple of the premium bundles were available here:
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?id=pcmcat66900050001&type=category
Not where I was they weren't.
Who's claiming it was perfectly executed? I'm claiming that only time will give some indication on how well the launch met their objectives. You're the one who's claiming it was an absolute failure.
The same reason why Sony will not be able to fill all the pre-orders when they launch. They will simply not be able to have the number of units on the shelf to meet demand.
Joe DeFuria
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xbdestroya said:Consoles laying on the floor at Toys R Us, bundles available online at Best Buy...
Why don't you just stop lying for a minute Joe?
Seriously, it is kind of funny that I have had two opportunities to buy the console, and didn't. Might not be so funny for DC though.
DemoCoder said:
I don't recall Microsoft taking preorders. Care to show me where Microsoft was taking preorders?
If you are talking about EB Games or Gamestop then I would ask you this:
Why were in-store customers who had preordered the system waiting while online orders taken after the launch were filled?
You can't blame MS because EB/Gamestop decided to make some extra cash by selling the systems that were reserved to other people online because they could charge online buyers extra for shipping rather than paying for the shipping to stores out of their own pocket.
Joe DeFuria
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Powderkeg said:
It's not as sinister as that.
It's just that EB (and every other retailer taking pre-orders) would rather have you on their waiting list than go somewhere else and shop for one. So they (individual shop owners) overbook the pre-orders.
dubyateeeff
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I just dont see why MS didnt just ship a smaller amount than they did to japan and kept the rest as a back up if it indeed got sold out. And if it didnt I would flash those as US consoles and ship them with US manuals.
I mean, not marking a few units for a specific market at once shouldnt be to expensive considering everything else and since the launch is so important... well... I'd do it.
I mean, not marking a few units for a specific market at once shouldnt be to expensive considering everything else and since the launch is so important... well... I'd do it.
dubyateeeff said:
Accurate forecasting for a new product like XB360 is very very difficult.
On top of them, they probably have to manage allotment too (how many units goes to which region/retailers to keep them happy). So it's a mix of over-estimates and relationship management.
I'm sure since then, they have adjusted their forecast model and are shipping fewer XB360 units to Japan now.
Joe DeFuria said:
That explains why they take preorders, but it doesn't explain why they sell units online while not filling those preorders.
Look at it this way.
Every unit they ship to a store costs them somewhere around $5.
Every unit they ship to you from an online purchase they earn about $7.
That's a $12 per unit increase in earnings for them if they sell it online.
There are people who preordered in a store in July who are still waiting while people who bought systems through the web site the week before launch already have theirs. I don't think MS is the one to point the finger at for preorders not being filled by now.
Powderkeg said:
The online stores sell nationally instead of just locally, of course they'll get a much larger allocation than any other store.
Not to mention, many instore preorders were without bundles, while the online ones came with several hundred or several thousand dollar bundles.
Joe DeFuria
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Powderkeg said:
It's my understanding that most retailer's "on-line" business is separate from the brick-and-mortar stores. In other words, the "on-line" store gets its own allotment, separate from the one down the street from you.
Look at Best Buy for example...they have a hybrid system. Their on-line store has its own allotment, but they also have ties to in-store inventory. (On many products, you can elect to have in-store pick-up of items provided the store you select has it in stock.) Note, for the 360, you can NOT order on line for in-store pick up. Once the on-line store's inventory is gone, that's it until the next allotment is received.
Joe DeFuria said:
But in this case the online allotment was decided well after it was clear that there wouldn't be enough systems to fill the existing preorders.
They knew they wouldn't be getting nearly enough systems to fill the in-store preorders they have already taken, but that didn't stop them from allocating a substantial potion of their supply to online sales instead.
Joe DeFuria
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Powderkeg said:
Says who?
Why should the on-line branch of the business have their allotment taken away because independent retail outlets overbooked pre-orders?
scooby_dooby
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It does seem wierd for a company so loaded with pre-orders to release a whole bunch online.
But really, some context is needed here, was it 100units? 1000? Was it 5% of their inventory or 50%? Big difference. If it was a very small portion then it would have had no impact on pre-orders anyways and it's such a dubious thing...
But really, some context is needed here, was it 100units? 1000? Was it 5% of their inventory or 50%? Big difference. If it was a very small portion then it would have had no impact on pre-orders anyways and it's such a dubious thing...
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