That's true. What hype was Kotaku buying into that wasn't delivered on?
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There doesn't need to be overt hype for someone to form an expectation, which can be built on experience. Past experience traditionally meant a noticeable visual leap forwards but here we have two new consoles that, let's be honest, have just provided some slightly sharper visuals.
Some games are doing more, but most games? They're just a little bit shaper which, depending on the size, quality and distance form your TV, may not be noticeable.
how often has there been mid gen refreshes that your comparing against?
as it's been made clear that there not next gen devices
You’re both right in the matter. You still need some form of basis comparison. Even if this is the first mid gen refresh and possibly last, you want to base it upon expectations, at least that is how we judge products we want to buy. For values we are unsure of, we use past experience to fill in the gaps.
but then you take into account it's not a full next gen, so shouldn't be expecting the same leap in graphics.
in the end both are sold as optional upgrades to the base model, and both companies are ok if you choose the base model. How much you value the upgrades, if at all, is a personal decision. I don't think either company has hyped or mislead anyone though
I didn’t realize that. I got the impression that it was considered an extension of and not a leap past the current generation.
both offer different propositions in regards to upgrading or initial purchase.
4pro
- less of a reason to upgrade to current ps4 owner
- best place for psvr, and games on ps platform
- new purchaser to ps, due to cost may be considered a minor price to pay for best ps versions
1X
- bigger upgrade, so may be more worth while to an XO owner
- expected to be best place to play multi plats, and best place to play Xbox games
- more expensive so new buyer has a clear choice between XO and 1X
Subtleties and interpretation of marketing language will divide our thread followers on this one.
They’ve definitely blurred the lines here, but the implications are interesting none the less.
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I think Microsoft have been pretty clear about their vision for the future of Xbox; backed up by actually delivering backwards/forwards compatibility across Xbox One, Xbox One S and Xbox One X, along with the retrospective compatibility work on Xbox 360 games. That's not marketing, that's deploying solid technologies.
What do you think requires interpretation?
the most recent quote from them is that it doesn't mean they won't have generations.
but regardless, for sake of discussion would you agree that its an iterative device?
which may even possibly mean iterative consoles in future, but right now they don't say "it's a next generation" console.
it's sold as a more powerful XO.
new console yes, but not new generation, and it doesn't replace the base XO
whether it's been marketed as next console, mid gen, next gen etc.
The Xbox One naming is still there and the X is the modifier in this case. Some will see this as no different than PS4 Pro for instance. Still linked to a generation of device.
I can see some people wanting to say it's mid gen. And some to say it's not.
I agree with all your statements though. They've succeeded in BC for sure, FC is still yet to remain to be seen. FC requires it to run future software, which changes in architecture or ISA may not render this possible to run natively. But I'd be okay with calling the xbox platform FC if software can still be released (and players play with each other) on XBO/X even if XB2 is released. For all purposes, FC may not be satisfied from a technical perspective, but as a platform I think I would consider it achieved.
Not to me. Otherwise, we should see at least 1 exclusive game to the X but we don't.
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It's being marketed as neither, it is “the most powerful console in the world”. It's simple and anything more is what you are reading into it. Just accept it for what it is.
a new mid gen console isn't quite what you said.
new next gen
new mid gen
new rivision
are all new consoles, the 1S is also a new console
i'm okay with how it's being marketed. I just don't think everyone will just accept it as it is. Some people have a general 'need'? to want to simplify things down into something they can understand or recognize, and these folks are bound to call it a mid-gen refresh. Even Lisa Su from AMD called it as such.It's being marketed as neither, it is “the most powerful console in the world”. It's simple and anything more is what you are reading into it. Just accept it for what it is.
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You also didn't use "mid gen console" in your post and not making this distinction is what I agree with
If that wasn't you intention then I disagree and we must fight to the death, but tomorrow as I've eaten way too many roast potatoes and can't move right now People like to label things.
Do you have a link? Are you sure she wasn't referring to Pro (as that's how Sony purposely describe it) or AMD's current console generational architectures?