Ike Turner
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ShootMyMonkey
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Oddly enough, in the US, the GT-R is rated as an Ultra-Low Emissions Vehicle. Not that it gets mileage anywhere close to other ULEVs (only around ~18 mpg, I think), but then EPA emissions ratings aren't directly affected by mileage at all in the first place.
Could be worse, though... they could rate mileage and emissions relative to the vehicle class (I remember hearing such a proposition at one point). If they did, then the GT-R would be classed in the same sampling as the Toyota Yaris or Honda Jazz/Fit. The Murcielago would be grouped together with the Smart Fortwo.
What are you basing this on?
While the M3 is a fine car, it does not posses any super handling skills, its an relatively easy car to drive and a easy car to predict, but curves or no curves, a BMW m3 would have had a very very very very hard time keeping up with a Z06.
The new corvette z06 is very good, far from perfect but on racing tracks, its probably by far the best value for money you today if you consider performance alone.
Last time i checked the z06 did nurburgring 15 seconds faster than the M3. If my memory is correct, the nurburgring nordschleife has about 120 or so corners.
The new ZR1 recently set one of the fastest times for a production car at the Ring It was using stock tires also unlike the cut slicks on the GTR that got exposed a while back. Here's the whole you tube vid. Clearly he was making up all the time in the straights!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6mEirkQN8o
Here's the blog on it: http://blog.gmnext.com/?p=194
Maybe xxx can comment?
ShootMyMonkey
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I suggest you read up again. The record time for the GT-R around the Ring never used cut slicks. The one that was said to be using cut slicks was the test run that did a 7:38, and that "reveal" itself was a mistranslation in that he was talking about not wanting to use cut slicks. The point itself is moot anyway, since that 7:38 time was beaten by a later run in a different stock GT-R posting 7:29, and that one most certainly was bone-stock in all respects. Like the Corvette Z06 as well, the stock GT-R also uses run-flat tires.
Yeah, the ZR1 did eventually beat it, but that just means that just means that it actually is a contest for the Spec V, which I'll admit is more than I expected.
"record time" for the gtr?
7:29 didn't beat any records. Both carrera gt,zonda f,zr-1, doonkervoort and radicals has been below that.
7:29 didn't beat any records. Both carrera gt,zonda f,zr-1, doonkervoort and radicals has been below that.
If you want a gull wing
say helo to the 1012bhp bristol fighter T
you can tell its british for 3 reasons
1: its limited to a top speed of only 235mph
2: if the owner doesnt like you he wont sell you one
3: james may is banned from the showroom because he commited the crime of knowing jeremy clarkson
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Was this the same sort of ringer that they sent to road and track that ran a 1:56.9 at Buttonwillow http://www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp?section_id=31&article_id=6591 that ended up running 2:01.1 in a later test? http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...r_porsche_911_gt2_comparison_test+page-5.html (I have the mag infront of me and I'm sure you can google the scanned pages) After seeing that I don't have a lot of faith in Nissan numbers.
Don't get me wrong. The GTR is a great car but when I see differences of 4-5+ seconds on a track and config that I've personally lapped hundreds of times, I can tell you, something isn't right.
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Handling, steering, suspension.
Oh but it does.
Due to the lack of power only. But strip all the comfort stuff off it and it's a different story compared to the regular version.
Nothing against that, I also think it's the best value for money if you're looking for a puristic sports car. Price/perf definitely unbeatable.
Last time I checked the M3 weighed about 400 kg more and had ~250 Nm less torque. So taking that into account, it actually kicked serious ass out of the Z6.
2004. Again, not bashing the Corvette or anything, it IS a great car. Just that the comparison is useless, since M3 ain't a stripped down sports car like the Vette.
Actually, it's really interesting to watch the linked video that shows the GT-R and ZR-1 run side by side in one picture, synchronised to the same start position and with a new timer. They are amazingly close. From the one time I looked at the video, I'm taking that the ZR-1 driver is pushing harder, taking the few curbs that you can actually 'sort-of' safely take for instance. But the cars are a great match for each other, pretty cool stuff.
This will be a good one to compare the Spec V and new ZR1 on since the ZR1 is supposed to be substantially lighter than the Z06. Gotta love the Atom.
Actually his list is the old one...
The up-to-date list can be found here
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1 Ascari A10 1.17.3
2 Koenigsegg CCX (with TG spoiler) 1.17.6
3 Pagani Zonda F 1.18.4
4 Maserati MC12 1.18.9
5 Ferrari Enzo 1.19.0
6 Ariel Atom 1.19.5
7 Lamborghini LP640 1.19.8
8 Porsche Carrera GT 1.19.8
9 Ascari KZ1 1.20.7
10 Mercedes-Benz SLR McLaren 1.20.9
11 Ferrari 599 GTB 1.21.2
12 Ford GT 1.21.9
13 Porsche GT3 RS 1.22.3
14 Ferrari 360 CS 1.22.3
15 Chevrolet Corvette Z06 1.22.4That's out of date too, the Gumpert Apollo is now top
They won't test the Ultima or Radical though, both would be near the top, the Radical would be top by a long way.
You'll have to forgive _XXX_, his company has been around for more than 30 years and has only just got around to making a fine handling car this year
And they still cannot make a crankshaft position sensor that does not leave you stranded about 10 times in 3 days!
They won't test the Ultima or Radical though, both would be near the top, the Radical would be top by a long way.
You'll have to forgive _XXX_, his company has been around for more than 30 years and has only just got around to making a fine handling car this year
And they still cannot make a crankshaft position sensor that does not leave you stranded about 10 times in 3 days!
DuckThor Evil
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First these
And here comes the Buts and ifs
The fact is, it is the Corvette that dances pirouttes around M3, while not even breaking a sweat doing it.
And here comes the Buts and ifs
The fact is, it is the Corvette that dances pirouttes around M3, while not even breaking a sweat doing it.
Has this just devolved into 'My imaginary Corvette could beat up your imaginary BMW?'.
They are both very different cars, the Corvette may be faster in absolute terms, but its entirely horses for courses.
If you want a big engined sports car the Corvette is a damn good choice (although here hobbled by the lack of a RHD model), but if you want something that can move 4 people and their luggage and still not embarise itself on a quick road or track then the M3 will tick a lot of boxes too.
They are both very different cars, the Corvette may be faster in absolute terms, but its entirely horses for courses.
If you want a big engined sports car the Corvette is a damn good choice (although here hobbled by the lack of a RHD model), but if you want something that can move 4 people and their luggage and still not embarise itself on a quick road or track then the M3 will tick a lot of boxes too.