J Allard new interview

[RancidLunchmeat]

Well, if we're all going to put word's in JVD's mouth, I'll do it to.

He certainly was not saying that the PS3 wouldn't have games. That's an absurd idea, and I can't believe people even spent so long talking about it.

What he was saying is that Sony's focus isn't on the games, and that's where it should be. Because the most important part of any console is the games. So it's a bit disheartening to any gamer to hear a company babble on and on about 'features' that nobody cares about and don't improve game play.

 

[scooby_dooby]

I thin the reason Sony didn't show an yreal games at E3 is pretty obvious. it's not that they don't have alot of games in development.

They needed to create the perception that the PS3 was the superior machine, this is the main tactic in which they can keep people form gettin the 360 and have them wait for the PS3.

If they had showed actual games, I'm sure they would've been pretty much the same as the 360 demo's, i.e. not that great, and the consensus by the media and people would have been that the two systems were about equal in the graphoics department.

Haivng the public percieve the consoles as being equally powerful is terrible for sony, as it takes away much of the incentive for waiting that extra 6-12 months for the PS3.

So they showed CGI, and realy nice demo's, and guess what? it worked, everywhere I look I see comments like "The PS3 clearly has the upper hand in graphics" this coming from journalists who are supposed to have a clue.

So, I think it was a sneaky underhanded move, but it worked for now.

 

[Shifty Geezer]

Well, if we're all going to put word's in JVD's mouth, I'll do it to.

He certainly was not saying that the PS3 wouldn't have games. That's an absurd idea, and I can't believe people even spent so long talking about it.

No I'm under the impression that sony showed no games that are due out in 2006 and have nothing to talk about or to hype up over the xbox and are now talking about thier rear end .

Therei s a problem if sony who has the market this gen couldn't have more playable games ready . You would think all thier big guns would have been working on dev kits for awhile now and would have had something other than cgi to show

What's he talking about there then if not a lack of games?

What he was saying is that Sony's focus isn't on the games, and that's where it should be.

Whis is what I've addressed. Sony 1) don't talk about games because they aren't game devs 2) don't need to talk about games because that's a given. KK wants to convey a larger picture of entertainment that fits his ideals. People might agree or disagree, but not talking about games does not in any way mean games will be a negligable quantity on PS3. It's just not Sony's place to talk about them, in their view. Every console will have games. How do you differentiate? Tell the consumer you'll also have other stuff.

 

[mckmas8808]

Actually scooby I think that is pretty much right. And thats what I was trying to get across in another thread.

What he was saying is that Sony's focus isn't on the games, and that's where it should be. Because the most important part of any console is the games. So it's a bit disheartening to any gamer to hear a company babble on and on about 'features' that nobody cares about and don't improve game play.

Oh so everybody on the Sony payroll is completly forgetting or not paying attention to the most important thing on the PS3. :? Come on be for real. Did you not see the Sony conference? I guess you missed the WHOLE part were Phil Harrison was talking about games. You must have missed the Epic demo, Fight Night demo, and Eyetoy demo.

I guess DemoC and the other makers of Heavenly Sword aren't doing anything either huh? Its Ken K. not talking about games NOT all of Sony. Did you miss all the other execs talking about games?

As I see it now (MY perception), Sony is doing a little bit of throwing a lot of stuff on the wall and seeing what sticks and do not appear to have as CLEAR of a vision for their system as MS seems to at the moment.

Have you ever thought that maybe to you they don't have a clear vision because they are not releasing all of their plans. Why is it that the only plans that Sony can have are the ones that are in the public. Has it occured to you that maybe, just maybe some plans are going to stay private for now. If what you said is correct I should be able to say Nintendo has NO vision because we know less about that system then the PS3 or X360 right?

 

[Tap In]

Have you ever thought that maybe to you they don't have a clear vision because they are not releasing all of their plans. Why is it that the only plans that Sony can have are the ones that are in the public. Has it occured to you that maybe, just maybe some plans are going to stay private for now. If what you said is correct I should be able to say Nintendo has NO vision because we know less about that system then the PS3 or X360 right?

Tap In said:
As I see it now (MY perception), Sony is doing a little bit of throwing a lot of stuff on the wall and seeing what sticks and do not appear to have as CLEAR of a vision for their system as MS seems to at the moment.

I'm sure that will change by the end of the year.

you must have missed part of what I said

 

[BlueTsunami]

Actually scooby I think that is pretty much right. And thats what I was trying to get across in another thread.

What he was saying is that Sony's focus isn't on the games, and that's where it should be. Because the most important part of any console is the games. So it's a bit disheartening to any gamer to hear a company babble on and on about 'features' that nobody cares about and don't improve game play.

Oh so everybody on the Sony payroll is completly forgetting or not paying attention to the most important thing on the PS3. :? Come on be for real. Did you not see the Sony conference? I guess you missed the WHOLE part were Phil Harrison was talking about games. You must have missed the Epic demo, Fight Night demo, and Eyetoy demo.

I guess DemoC and the other makers of Heavenly Sword aren't doing anything either huh? Its Ken K. not talking about games NOT all of Sony. Did you miss all the other execs talking about games?

As I see it now (MY perception), Sony is doing a little bit of throwing a lot of stuff on the wall and seeing what sticks and do not appear to have as CLEAR of a vision for their system as MS seems to at the moment.

Have you ever thought that maybe to you they don't have a clear vision because they are not releasing all of their plans. Why is it that the only plans that Sony can have are the ones that are in the public. Has it occured to you that maybe, just maybe some plans are going to stay private for now. If what you said is correct I should be able to say Nintendo has NO vision because we know less about that system then the PS3 or X360 right?

The first part of your post hit the nail on the head. There where plentiful moments of game vids but Sony seems like there trying to shift the platform to something else. Why would they add all these ports and features? as freebies? all those connectors and crap hold a purpose on Sonys strategy (whatever that may be, goes with the Media-HUB perception though).

Theres to much comparing going on. Just because Microsoft does something or Sony does something...or EVEN Nintendo does something...people are expecting each other company to react. Also...these are three different consoles, each with thier own unique setups.....personally..what I see is a great split of ideals between ALL three.

I know it sounds corny now, but the PS3 is being made up to be and possibly is a full based Media HUB. I guess where all used to regular consoles that plays games and movies...play Online with friends, but KK (from all his speeches) wants something different with the PS3. Microsoft wants something vastly different from the PS3 with 360 and finally Nintendo wants something different from the former 2.

In conclusion...its becoming pointless trying to compare each strategy. Some people like some strategy better than the others, it comes down the preference and you can't just out right say that one preference is better than the other (that would just be putting down the persons opinion and thats wrong in the first place).

 

[jvd]

RE: Games, of course SONY will have a ton of games, I THINK what JVD is saying is that until they have something to actually show, they are trying to create the image of a future that will include PS3 in ways beyond games right now because that is all they have at the moment (an image).

exactly .


Sony has no games to show for a console which is primarly about games . They have nothing to make hype about . So they went to something else and are trying to act like ms hasn't brought anything new to the table . While ms is actually bringing what is needed and showing it now , Fun games , good media connections (streaming from hardrives , local hardrive , dvd play back) and how games will interact with it and then showing fun games that people will want to play and had them playable at a huge event .


Sony on the other hand is only talking about things that ms has already fleshed out and talked about , some things even from last generation and acting like its that important

 

[BlueTsunami]

RE: Games, of course SONY will have a ton of games, I THINK what JVD is saying is that until they have something to actually show, they are trying to create the image of a future that will include PS3 in ways beyond games right now because that is all they have at the moment (an image).

exactly .


Sony has no games to show for a console which is primarly about games . They have nothing to make hype about . So they went to something else and are trying to act like ms hasn't brought anything new to the table . While ms is actually bringing what is needed and showing it now , Fun games , good media connections (streaming from hardrives , local hardrive , dvd play back) and how games will interact with it and then showing fun games that people will want to play and had them playable at a huge event .


Sony on the other hand is only talking about things that ms has already fleshed out and talked about , some things even from last generation and acting like its that important

Your stuck on the fact that thy should only be showing games and now your saying that since they don't have games they had to go around and hype something else? I'll have you remember the PS3 doesn't come out for 6 months after the 360 AND one telling quote is the CEO of SquarEnix who said that they had to rush to create the FFVII TechDemo. Your also trying to make Sony look desperate with your logic Nintendo should be the ones in trouble because they didn't show anything at all. I'm happy that Sony showed something at least...and some of those images where in real time some weren't (The Duck Demo...Unreal 2007 then you hit that hazy area where you don't know...but some where real time)......

OH...and let me add....

"DEVELOPERS DO NOT DEVELOP GAMES FOR E3" in the words of J.Allard

 

[jvd]

Sigh , forgive me if i want to see games for a console coming out


Please excuse me while i get out of the way of the other sony fans ready to jump on me (if there are any that haven't done so in this thread already _)

 

[BlueTsunami]

Sigh , forgive me if i want to see games for a console coming out


Please excuse me while i get out of the way of the other sony fans ready to jump on me (if there are any that haven't done so in this thread already _)

Yeah i'm a Sony fan but your being very loose with your statements. Sony doesn't have an image that fits yours and your making it seem like there evil for that (even accusing them of having to hype something else because of that). Your opinion is fine with me, but the fact that your tying to make Sony look like their misleading the public because they showed a lack of games (Thats your opinion, its my opinion that they didn't have all that time to work with) is wrong.

 

[SteamedRice]

does anyone know what Sony has in their devkits though? I know they have cell but no RSX yet and I don't think 6800 ultras sli and cell would work together with no flex io or compatible mobo with 2 pci-e or agp? maybe that's why no games could be shown running.

also, I think some of you guys are losing sleep over hoping Sony PS3 falls (coughjvdcough). You better be glad there is competition between the two.

 

[deathstar121]

Ibtl

First off PS3 can offer 1 billion features, but it won't replace my PC, consoles are for gaming only even though ms and sony will try and make there console look like it can do more, it's basically a gaming machine, no matter how you look at it.

If PS3 can surf the web that's kool, but who cares? another thing there's a risk of a virus design by a hacker just to F up your PS3 if the online software is being runned off the PS3 HDD and not Blu ray, I used to surf the web on DC back in the days, it was kool just for porn sites that was full of virus or worms, because the DC online software was being running off the CD rom so there was no way for it be infected.

 

[Tap In]

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also, I think some of you guys are losing sleep over hoping Sony PS3 falls (coughjvdcough). You better be glad there is competition between the two.

I do not think anyone wants SONY to fail.


I think the E3 media's (published) perception that PS3 is twice the game machine that X360 is when NOBODY yet knows how much, if at all, these two systems will differ in regards to actual gameplay, has some people a little on their heels.

 

[mckmas8808]

Sony has no games to show for a console which is primarly about games .

This is the thing that kills me with your post jvd. They do have games to show, they just don't have games to play. They showed many, but non were playable. So your quote is completely false. Just change it up a little. Like this. Sony has no games playable for a console which is primarly about games.

 

[jvd]

Sony has no games to show for a console which is primarly about games .

This is the thing that kills me with your post jvd. They do have games to show, they just don't have games to play. They showed many, but non were playable. So your quote is completely false. Just change it up a little. Like this. Sony has no games playable for a console which is primarly about games.

I dont' consider cgi games to show . Sorry come again .

 

[mckmas8808]

I dont' consider cgi games to show . Sorry come again .

Ok this cgi thing is starting to get out of hand. What about UT2007, Fight Night, FF-7 demo, and the duckies demo (shows the possibilities of the eyetoy). You, I, and everyone else knows that more will be said at TGS.

 

[jvd]

unreal 2k7 i've already talked about before in the thread (of course i'm sure you didn't read it u just went directly on the defensive ) and said its coming out in 2007 and is not going to sell a system .

Fight night is a tech demo , ff-7 is cgi , duckies is a tech demo .


As for tgs that has yet to happen and what will happen there is anyones guess , but right now sony has nothing to talk about adn so kk felt they had to bash thier competition while offering nothing solid to bash them about .

 

[mckmas8808]

ff-7 is totally representive of what they are pushing for in the PS3 FF games. They said it themselves. Oh and I forget Heavenly Sword.

 

[jvd]

ff-7 is totally representive of what they are pushing for in the PS3 FF games. They said it themselves. Oh and I forget Heavenly Sword.

Think what you want , there isn't much point in talking about it , since only you are allowed to be right even when others have said your wrong .

As for heavenly sword denoc the person who is making it has already said that its not as simple as realtime or prerendered . Mabye you should read his posts .

 

[BlueTsunami]

ff-7 is totally representive of what they are pushing for in the PS3 FF games. They said it themselves. Oh and I forget Heavenly Sword.

Think what you want , there isn't much point in talking about it , since only you are allowed to be right even when others have said your wrong .

As for heavenly sword denoc the person who is making it has already said that its not as simple as realtime or prerendered . Mabye you should read his posts .

You flat out said NO GAMES WHERE SHOWN....then when mckmas8808 points out Unreal 2007 you say you already talked about it in a different post....that is a game right JVD? Just because its not going to be a system seller (No one said it was, he was just pointing out A game that was shown) its still a game that was shown

Sony has no games to show for a console which is primarly about games . They have nothing to make hype about .

So do they have games to show? or don't they? If I remember correctly they did show games, some real time, some artist renditions of what they think the game was going to be like and other games made-to-spec. I buy into the ones that where real time...but in your mind JVD...there where no games shown