J Allard new interview

[Shifty Geezer]

I guess there's no reason to talk games because that's taken as read. Of course there'll be games, so KK differentiates by the other 'fun' stuff he's bringing to the table. Remember PlayStation was never conceptually just a games machine, but where you go to have fun (that 'Third Place'). He's approaching this from a not specifically gamer friendly perspective, but gamers are included in that all-encompassing 'device for fun things'

 

[jvd]

OF course he needs to talk about games because they didn't show one playable game (Well okay one unreal 2k7)

They haven't talked about any games that will be avalible at launch though , epic is stating 2007 for unreal on consoles . SO there are no games where as ms has shown plenty of working games that people got to play behidn clsoed doors or on the show floor

 

[Shifty Geezer]

So you're of the impression if Sony don't say 'we've got this game and that game' then none are being written and none will appear?

 

[jvd]

So you're of the impression if Sony don't say 'we've got this game and that game' then none are being written and none will appear?

No I'm under the impression that sony showed no games that are due out in 2006 and have nothing to talk about or to hype up over the xbox and are now talking about thier rear end .

Therei s a problem if sony who has the market this gen couldn't have more playable games ready . You would think all thier big guns would have been working on dev kits for awhile now and would have had something other than cgi to show

 

[Kolgar]

Therei s a problem if sony who has the market this gen couldn't have more playable games ready . You would think all thier big guns would have been working on dev kits for awhile now and would have had something other than cgi to show

One could argue that as the market leader (especially one by such a wide margin), Sony was in no hurry to move to next gen, and logically, would not have been jumping all over next-gen development yet.

Makes sense, no?

On the other hand, Microsoft's doing a great job with 360 and perhaps now that's got Sony scrambling to play catch-up.

 

[jvd]

No logicly it doesn't because now ms has the leap on them . If ms has had dev kits out for over a year (i've heard some have had dev kits for 2 years almost ) the games will be much further along than dev kits that went out this year or a few months ago

 

[mckmas8808]

STOP IT!!! Stop the madness jvd. The PS3 will have plenty of games. The PS3 didn't need to have playable demos at E3. They have TGS for that. Did you know that the PS3 is coming out 4 to 6 months after the X360? I still find it hard to believe you are still pushing that point. And like others have said games are a given.

Other people like Kaz and Phil will talk about games when they are ready to do so. Just stop making this mute point about Sony not pushing games. And people thinking that next-gen consoles should be only for gaming are pure idiots plain and simple. I never thought I would see the day when people would cry because they receive too much for what they paid for. *shakes head in disgust*

 

[Kolgar]

No logicly it doesn't because now ms has the leap on them . If ms has had dev kits out for over a year (i've heard some have had dev kits for 2 years almost ) the games will be much further along than dev kits that went out this year or a few months ago

Perhaps it made sense at the time, as Sony is used to winning on the power of their brands and overwhelming market share. "We're the overwhelming market leader. We don't need to go first."

Only this time, it could be that Sony's competitor has covered all its bases and put together a much more impressive effort than they ever expected.

 

[BlueTsunami]

No logicly it doesn't because now ms has the leap on them . If ms has had dev kits out for over a year (i've heard some have had dev kits for 2 years almost ) the games will be much further along than dev kits that went out this year or a few months ago

DEV kits for almost 2 Years? I hope thats not the case, from what they've shown and how the things that they have shown looked (in motion) I honestly can't believe that some people have had DEV Kits for almost 2 Years (2 Years ago was 2003). Even if that was the case, you wouldn't be able to code for the hardware they would be using correctly being 2 years off of the final hardware.

Sure..you can prepare a game by doing basic coding for it....but you would have to update if for the final hardware. But whos to say the Nintendo or Sony was doing that also? Its not like all of a sudden people start to code a few months before the consoles release because they found out Microsoft was coding also. I could say to you that Sony has the upper hand because they've been working on CELL since 1999, but thats honestly not the case....

 

[jvd]

STOP IT!!! Stop the madness jvd. The PS3 will have plenty of games. The PS3 didn't need to have playable demos at E3. They have TGS for that. Did you know that the PS3 is coming out 4 to 6 months after the X360? I still find it hard to believe you are still pushing that point. And like others have said games are a given.

Don't order me around . Sony showed unreal 2k7 that is slated for release in 2007 . They showed no other playable games so what do they have to talk about right now ? Nothing . So how do they create hype ?

Other people like Kaz and Phil will talk about games when they are ready to do so. Just stop making this mute point about Sony not pushing games. And people thinking that next-gen consoles should be only for gaming are pure idiots plain and simple. I never thought I would see the day when people would cry because they receive too much for what they paid for. *shakes head in disgust*

You really need to stop your trolling. For a console games are the most important thing if it doesn't have the games no one will buy it even if it can wipe your ass .

Sony had the poorer showing because of it and they showed nothing that the x360 didn't show except bluray as i said .

So now sony has nothing to hype up and its even showing by kk's need to play down sony . Ms never played down sony and infact ducked the question of if kill zone was real time instead of bashing sony .

 

[jvd]

DEV kits for almost 2 Years? I hope thats not the case, from what they've shown and how the things that they have shown looked (in motion) I honestly can't believe that some people have had DEV Kits for almost 2 Years (2 Years ago was 2003). Even if that was the case, you wouldn't be able to code for the hardware they would be using correctly being 2 years off of the final hardware.

I said almost 2 years ago , the first kits hit with 9800s As for that others on the forum have already said you can develop just fine with traget specs .

Sure..you can prepare a game by doing basic coding for it....but you would have to update if for the final hardware. But whos to say the Nintendo or Sony was doing that also? Its not like all of a sudden people start to code a few months before the consoles release because they found out Microsoft was coding also. I could say to you that Sony has the upper hand because they've been working on CELL since 1999, but thats honestly not the case....

If sony was anywhere near the same point ms was at they would have something other to show than cgi .

 

[RancidLunchmeat]

We'll have to disagree here, because I certainly see online gaming as the focal point of this next generation, and MS already has the lead.

I think the key aspect to online is content, not gaming. That'll be media, game content, and mini games. There's plenty of internet sites now that do a nice trade in mini games, as do downloaded mobile-phone games. And that's where the money is.

Regards people wanting consoles for games only, I think that's not true. People want to do stuff, and boxes to enable them to do that stuff.portable communcations system, which have expanded into profitable industries as important as telephone functions.

Agreed, poor choice of words. I should have said online content is the focus of this generation, but that's not really it either.. I don't think we'll actually see significant online content this generation. The focus is to get the consumers online, so they can pump content to them in the future.

I think MS's strategy is very focused and precise: provide great games and get as many people locked in their Live! service as possible, and slowly get people used to purchasing content online with their console.

Sony, on the other hand, seems to be pushing the PS3 as an entertainment center, downplaying the importance of the primary purpose of the box: to play games!

People buy consoles to play games, if you can sucker them into a different profit model later.. great. But don't think that people are going to buy the console because they want an "Entertainment Center".

 

[mckmas8808]

Don't order me around . Sony showed unreal 2k7 that is slated for release in 2007 . They showed no other playable games so what do they have to talk about right now ? Nothing . So how do they create hype ?

I can see that sometimes people can not think outside the box. Why o why would someone talk only about games when their machine can do so much more. When more games are ready to show Sony will show and talk about them. Its that simple.

Agreed, poor choice of words. I should have said online content is the focus of this generation, but that's not really it either.. I don't think we'll actually see significant online content this generation. The focus is to get the consumers online, so they can pump content to them in the future.

Content online will be seen next-gen. You have to remember the next gen race will start at the end of 2005 and continue into 2012. The content will be there. This is off topic but look at ringtones for cellphones. It didn't take long for next-gen cellphones to reach over a 100 million dollar in ringtone sells alone.

Sony had the poorer showing because of it and they showed nothing that the x360 didn't show except bluray as i said .

So why are alot of the media giving Sony the best of show. More people are considering that Sony looked the best coming out of E3.

 

[jvd]

I can see that sometimes people can not think outside the box. Why o why would someone talk only about games when their machine can do so much more. When more games are ready to show Sony will show and talk about them. Its that simple.

because no one will care about the system if it doesn't have good games . Not to mention that everything sony is claiming ms has already claimed or has been done already last geneartion

So why are alot of the media giving Sony the best of show. More people are considering that Sony looked the best coming out of E3.

Who gamecritics that voted for a cgi demo over actual playable games ?

 

[scooby_dooby]

I can see that sometimes people can not think outside the box. Why o why would someone talk only about games when their machine can do so much more. When more games are ready to show Sony will show and talk about them. Its that simple.

Man you talk about it like it's some amazing new machine that can do what nothing before it could do.

The truth of the matter is, as far as multimedia capabilities the PS3(& 360 as well) can't do anything that a modded xbox rom 2001 can't do. Well the 360 can integrate with MediaCentre but other than that there's nothing new.

So these aren't amazing new possiblities like you make it seem, it's just brining to the mainstream what the hardcore gamer has been doing for a long time. Not even mainstream, but the people between casual gamer and hardcore gamer will now be able to use these features.

I agree they're cool things, but they aren't that great that they will sell a next gen console, and most people don't have a clue how cool these things are(like networkd PC's) until they actually see them in action.

I think it's lame KK keeps tearing down the 360, why do it? If they're so confident why the need for all the mud slinging?

 

[Shifty Geezer]

jvd : If Ferrari were to announce they're working on a new car, and said it has a new suspension system, and a new exhaust system, and a new computer control stearing system, would you be doubting that it was a fast sports car?

Sony have had the largest software library of any system twice running. You think all of a sudden they won't make any games/provide materials for others to make games. Just because they not showing Jaggie-ridden, low frame-rate WIPs, doesn't mean work isnt in development.

Talk to DeanoC about how there's nothing playable on PS3. Tell him how his game doesn't exist!

For presentation, rather then show low-grade WIPs, Sony chose to show High-Q videos. Some argue these are beyond the machine's capabilities - let's not enter that argument again ( )! But there was stuff shown, that was running on hardware in a reduced quality state, ramped up for the public showing of "what to expect" instead of "what's currently being done". It's a different strategy.

I can believe Sony may make mistakes, but to come into the next-gen market without any games - that's a totally ridiculous, laughable concept! Given the chance to talk about his dream machine, 15 minutes to spare, it's understandable KK wants to talk about the new things, rather then the same features that come as standard on a games machine.

And as I said in a different thread, Sony are NOT a games company. They don't write games. They don't imagine games. It's for the game devs to talk about what they are bringing to Sony's platforms. Sony are different in this respect to Nintendo (who have their own games) and MS (where they seak to appeal to gamers, talking things gamers want to hear). Have they ever run around saying what great games they've got coming? Only rarely on first/second party titles like GT. For them it's all about exciting tech for others to worry about the games on.

 

[JasonLD]

It is too premature to say which console will have more games merely based on what we saw at E3. Xbox360 is gonna be released this year..it is no brainer that Microsoft had to show something during E3. But I really think PS3 will have just as strong launch(If not better) as Xbox360. Most of the companies that supports Xbox360 is also supporting PS3, and who knows how many unannounced titles still out there possibly stated for launch for PS3? Too early to tell basically..

 

[RancidLunchmeat]

Content online will be seen next-gen. You have to remember the next gen race will start at the end of 2005 and continue into 2012. The content will be there. This is off topic but look at ringtones for cellphones. It didn't take long for next-gen cellphones to reach over a 100 million dollar in ringtone sells alone.

But in order for online content to be a revenue stream next generation, people have to get used to it this generation.

Get it? That's why MS developed Live! in the first place, that's why they are increasing it, improving it, offering it for free at select times, etc.

My point was the entire focus of this generation is getting the consumers online and familiar with doing things so that next generation they have a base they can actually make profits selling to!

Do you think MS is putting in microtransactions as a profit center? No. They're putting in microtransactions to get people acclimated with the idea of going online and buying things on demand and having it automatically deducted from their credit card. So next generation, people will be more willing to do the same: with larger purchases on different content.

That's the entire reason why MS is even in this market. It's also the reason why Sony is in this market. Only Sony isn't pushing the market forward, they're sitting back and waiting. The problem is the living room might have room for multiple gaming consoles but it sure doesn't have room for more than one "Media Center".

*Edit: Just realized you were saying the content will be available for the X360 and the PS3. (I don't agree.. not the type of content that will generate real revenue for MS or Sony) But, even agreeing with that idea, it only makes Sony look all the worse for being so far behind the 8 ball on this one. And they still aren't hyping their online component for the PS3. Besides, weren't you the one arguing against the importance of online capabilities?

 

[_phil_]

If sony was anywhere near the same point ms was at they would have something other to show than cgi .

except if what you call cgis are actual games in a way much more advanced than though .

Threre is still strong possibilities for Ms to be late on its scheduling from what i hear.Hardware and software wise.they'llhave a hard time getting everything ready in time.

 

[Tap In]

All I know is that i went online the other day and paid $5.99 with my credit card just by clicking YES on my Xbox to download some new Halo2 maps to save to the HDD. (Also DL some GR2 stuff for free)

I will do the same next month for $11.99 for some more maps.

So LIVE is already doing that and much more and allowing developers to reap the rewards of their work.

Without LIVE to play I would probably almost never pick up a console controller.

RE: Games, of course SONY will have a ton of games, I THINK what JVD is saying is that until they have something to actually show, they are trying to create the image of a future that will include PS3 in ways beyond games right now because that is all they have at the moment (an image).


As I see it now (MY perception), Sony is doing a little bit of throwing a lot of stuff on the wall and seeing what sticks and do not appear to have as CLEAR of a vision for their system as MS seems to at the moment.

I'm sure that will change by the end of the year.