J. Allard Interview Pt. 2

This is a really good interview. Probably the best that I've ever seen from the MS side. And I most say my respect has risen about 100% from watching it. You have to watch it and if you seen it before please don't flame me. :D He talks in detail about...

1. How their software is key and will give them an edge in the graphics again like it did this generation.

2. How he feels competing against Sony.

3. Why they didn't go with Blu-ray or HD-DVD.

4. Trying to get the Japaneese market.

5. And he finishes with talking about the world wide launch.

http://movies.teamxbox.com/xbox/e305/j_interview_518_1.wmv
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yea he brings up some good points about bluray on the supply side . Sony may not have enough drives to launch world wide and may not have enough drives to make a decent first launch .


other than that he had some good points but not much we didn'[t know
 
And most of it we knew its just good to hear a guy in his position sit there and explain it in detail. I wanted to call this thread 10 good minutes, because thats what it is. I don't see eye to eye with about 50% of what he says but I can respect it know that I see where he is coming from.

I think alot of the things that they kept off of the console could end up biting them in the butt in the future. But he thats my opinion. Speculation is just that, but hearing it from the horses mouth is much better.
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mckmas8808 said:
I think alot of the things that they kept off of the console could end up biting them in the butt in the future. But he thats my opinion. Speculation is just that, but hearing it from the horses mouth is much better.

Just out of curiosity, what would those be?
 
I like J. Allard. I rank him up there with Phil Harrison as one of the gaming company execs with integrity. Phil always have a straight forward approach, which made him a great front man for the company in the West. I feel the same about Allard, even in his new bald-Eminem form. :LOL: He seems in touch with the industry and savvy enough to sell you on an idea, even if there's a little cock and bull to it. That excuse about the blue-laser format was well played. He spun it in a good way, and didn't come off as making a lame copout. I really like his ideas. He's way better than Ed Fry was. I just wish they didn't try to pitch him in such a Gen-X kinda way. As a straight-talking exec, he's down to earth and has a good perspective on things. Plus, he survived the Sess. :lol PEACE.
 
Just out of curiosity, what would those be?

Well Mechanized beat me to one of them with this comment.

That excuse about the blue-laser format was well played. He spun it in a good way, and didn't come off as making a lame copout.

1. I personally think that not having Blu-ray will come back to hunt them.

2. Not having 1080p I think will show its face around the year 2009 probably no earlier.

3. Not having wifi built-in. I know they will have a cheap adaptor (probably like $20) but I remember people buying a PS2 over a Xbox just because you didn't need to buy an extra DVD remote for it.

4. Not installing blue-tooth into their console.

5. And even though I can understand why they didnt do this one, but not having dual output could case a problem once users get the hang of online and gaming at the same time. Looking up codes on one screen and playing the game on another will be cool.

*6. Not having CF and SD slots directly on the console could case a problem.

*This only will kick in when a consumer looks at everything else they will lose out on
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1. How?

2. By 2009 Xbox 720 would be out.

3. PS2 doesn't come with a remote.

4. Why would they need BT?

5. I don't think this will ever catch on. Most normal people don't have two tvs side by side.

6. Possibly but not a big deal. Having it would be nice though since CF and SD are very standard and dirt cheap too.
 
2. Not having 1080p I think will show its face around the year 2009 probably no earlier.

while it could be a problem i doubt it will , it will be closing its 4th year so even if 1080p becomes the standard or the majority in 2009 ms will be gearing up the xbox 3 for 2010 or 2011 so it will not be a real problem

3. Not having wifi built-in. I know they will have a cheap adaptor (probably like $20) but I remember people buying a PS2 over a Xbox just because you didn't need to buy an extra DVD remote for it.

while this does suck if its cheap enough it wont be to big of a problem. Personaly i hope thils lets them come out with a newer standard like the g standard with the extra range and speed that just came out . So while it sucks to buy it , it may let ms stay more flexable keeping up with the newest standards .

4. Not installing blue-tooth into their console.
Honestly I don't see the big thing about this . The only thing with blue-tooth is my ngage . Other than that this standard really isn't flying .

Remember how the ps2 had all those ports on the front that were removed from later versions and the slim design ? I think the ps3 is going to have this also , it has so many things that the average consumer just isn't going to care about .

5. And even though I can understand why they didnt do this one, but not having dual output could case a problem once users get the hang of online and gaming at the same time. Looking up codes on one screen and playing the game on another will be cool.

Do you really know if you can do this with the ps3 ? I would think the games will be using all the resources of the cell that having a second monitor where u can surf the web while playing wont really work.

THough with xbox live they show the live screen covering up half the game while the game is still going (kameo) so you may be able to do this in xbox live with only 1 monitor .

*6. Not having CF and SD slots directly on the console could case a problem.

*This only will kick in when a consumer looks at everything else they will lose out on

as I said above these things may end up never being used like the ports on the ps2 and will be removed later on to reduce costs .

While these are nice things and those that are into it will take advantage of it but its not a make or a break thing


1. I personally think that not having Blu-ray will come back to hunt them.

as i've said before for movie playback they can add the winner of the hd format war to an x360 media edition and sell it for 50$ - 100$ more with a bigger hardrive and u can bet it will sell . I highly doubt u will need more than 2 dvds which would be 16 gigs of room for a game in the next generation and even then that will be at the tail end



There are flip sides to everything . For instance that bluray drive , bluetooth , wifi , dvi / hdmi and other ports will all at costs the the ps3 making it less agile to scale in price . The bluray drive can also cause shortages at launch .

As i've said before they've made the choices based on what they thought was the best for the time period , I agree with most of them some of them i don't we will see how well they work . Same thing with sony .
 
I don't see 1080P as a big deal ever this generation. Most people can't afford HD tvs the way it is. When they do buy a HD-TVs it will be a cheap one that will be 720P not 1080P. Only the elite and hardcore videophiles will even own 1080P TVs for the next 5-10 years.

I see not having a blue ray drive as a no big deal. This is not like DVD were every TV sold will benifit. Only a small percentage of people out there are going to be migrating from DVD to HD-movies for a long time. If a person is lucky they will be able to afford 1 HD-TV and movie player. Most people I know have DVD players hooked up to mulitple TVs. When they buy a DVD they can use the disc on every TV in the house. Until prices of HDmovie players drops to the point were people can afford 1 for every TV DVD will be the format of choice. People are not hardcore enough to buy movies in both formates like some of the hardcore and elite videophiles will.
 
I don't see X360 not having BR/HD DVD such a big deal since going with either format right from the start will only allow you to watch only a half of what Hollywood puts out on HD. If you want to watch the other half of titles Hollywood puts out, you'd have to buy the other format player anyway. It would be better if MS released a special version of X360 down the line that uses the winning or unified format. That way not only would the drives have come down in price, but the drive would be able to play all HD movies Hollywood puts out. I wouldn't mind trading in/upgrading a launch X360 for a newer version with full HD movie capability later down the line. It's the same reasoning as trading in a Platinum launch DS for a different color one when it's available.
 
Every response here has been very reasonable but let me give you my side of it.

PC-Engine said:
2. By 2009 Xbox 720 would be out.

Don't you think thats a little too early for a next next generation system. I mean the X360 is basically coming out in 2006. 3 years is way too short.

PC-Engine said:
5. I don't think this will ever catch on. Most normal people don't have two tvs side by side.

Your right because they have no reason to do it. What would stop me or anybody else from buying a second PC monitor to hook up to their PS3 for talking to their girlfriend as they play Madden. Think about it you don't have to hold the phone and she can't complain about not seeing you for 4 days do to you playing in a huge Madden tournement.

jvd said:
while it could be a problem i doubt it will , it will be closing its 4th year so even if 1080p becomes the standard or the majority in 2009 ms will be gearing up the xbox 3 for 2010 or 2011 so it will not be a real problem

Well actually its third year. And no the next generation will not be that close. Imagine if something came out for the PS2 in the year 2003. We would claim that its at the end of its lifespan so who cares now would we? :)

jvd said:
So while it sucks to buy it , it may let ms stay more flexable keeping up with the newest standards .

What would stop Sony from doing the same thing and just letting people plug it into one of its 6 USB ports.

jvd said:
Do you really know if you can do this with the ps3 ? I would think the games will be using all the resources of the cell that having a second monitor where u can surf the web while playing wont really work.

Well the CIT of Sony Entertainment (I forgot his name) said this at the conference. Go take a look. Nope thats the great thing about the CELL chip. You don't pay 500 million dollars for nothing.

jvd said:
as I said above these things may end up never being used like the ports on the ps2 and will be removed later on to reduce costs .

While these are nice things and those that are into it will take advantage of it but its not a make or a break thing

Yeah I agree this is not a make or break extra, but it is cool and could be that one thing that urges a consumer over. If someone wanted to display their pictures one someones PS3 they could. Just pop in the SD card a bam. If you had a 4th of July cookout at your house and your cousin took plenty of pictures how would they display them on the TV. oops no cable forgot it at home darn. No worry my PS3 can play it.
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Well actually its third year. And no the next generation will not be that close. Imagine if something came out for the PS2 in the year 2003. We would claim that its at the end of its lifespan so who cares now would we?

Well here is the thing . A ) 2009 will not be the year where the majority of the gamers will use 1080p and many will still opt for 720p 4x fssa and who knows it may look good scalled up to 1080p . But here is the question. How about all the ps3 games that were made at 720p ? what happens with those games ? Do sony gamers just throw them out ? I think 1080p wont be a big deal because by the time it becomes the majority the console race wll be almost done. Since they are launching in 2005 by 2009 the rumor mill will have started about the new xbox just like it started last fall for the new systems of this generation . By 2010 or 2011 they can launch a new console


What would stop Sony from doing the same thing and just letting people plug it into one of its 6 USB ports.
Nothing but then it really doesn't matter if it was built in since you'd stll have to buy an upgrade on the ps3 :)

Well the CIT of Sony Entertainment (I forgot his name) said this at the conference. Go take a look. Nope thats the great thing about the CELL chip. You don't pay 500 million dollars for nothing.

Saying it and implementing it is completely diffrent . Ms already has a great online service and they already have a great second gen online service shown. Sony hasn't shown nor does it have any real online service so this feature is up in the air . NOt to mention the amount of people who will actualy use this feature will be very small .

Many will rather invest the money in a bigger hdtv set instead of two hdtv sets . You can buy a 36inch hdtv set for around 1k or you can get a 60 inch for 1.8k . Do you think the average consumer would buy 2 36 inch tvs to put next to each other or the single 60inch tv ? While its nice in pratice i doubt many will take advantage of it (And btw i love my dual monitor set up but I'd rather have a 22inch lcd monitor with a great refresh rate and no ghosting on it than my two 19inch monitors )

Yeah I agree this is not a make or break extra, but it is cool and could be that one thing that urges a consumer over. If someone wanted to display their pictures one someones PS3 they could. Just pop in the SD card a bam. If you had a 4th of July cookout at your house and your cousin took plenty of pictures how would they display them on the TV. oops no cable forgot it at home darn. No worry my PS3 can play it.

Hmm I find it suspect that in the house u wouldn't have a usb cable or a pc where u can hook it up and stream it to the xbox :) Though yea it will be easier i highly doubt it will ever be used . My sister has a sony hdtv wega with a memory stick slot which we have used 1 time in the last year and that was to see if it worked well .


As i've said while nice they will rarely be used . NOt to mention that most cameras come with the usb to the mini usb hook up on the camera and the x360 and ps3 have those usb ports avalible .

If you can remember to brind over the memory card i don't see why you wouldn't bring the camera esp since u can take pictures of you and your friends while your there :)





Your right because they have no reason to do it. What would stop me or anybody else from buying a second PC monitor to hook up to their PS3 for talking to their girlfriend as they play Madden. Think about it you don't have to hold the phone and she can't complain about not seeing you for 4 days do to you playing in a huge Madden tournement.

Um how is this going to work ?

If your talking about messaging well how in gods name am i going to type and play madden at the same time ? I guess you cuold voice chat but wouldn't u rather have your head set on for madden ? I guess i would just use speaker phone on my phone to talk to her . I really don't see how the second monitor would help there.



What i could see as being really cool is if in madden your main monitor is zoomed in on you while the other is zoomed in on your reciver . That would be a cool thing so that you can just switch your eyes right over to the other monitor and assume control. But i'd much rather play on a 50inch tv than on two 20inch monitors
 
You keep saying this majorty of the people stuff. You, I, and every person here knows that only an estimated 10% of people play Xbox Live. Thats 1 out of 10. Now for every one of those extras that the PS3 has I think you can replace them with that 1 out of 10 people for the PS3. I can easily see 1 out of 10 people using built-in wifi, bluetooth, 2 tvs for gaming and other entertainment, SD CF or MS duo slots, or utilizing 1080p.

To me that evens it out. I don't know if you remember but 50 inch 720p TVs were damn near too high for anybody to buy. Only the pure elight had them. Prices now my be better but they were unreasonable in 2002.

jvd said:
Since they are launching in 2005 by 2009 the rumor mill will have started about the new xbox just like it started last fall for the new systems of this generation . By 2010 or 2011 they can launch a new console

Thats a pretty huge jump there. The difference between 2009 and 2011 could probably be like 20 million consoles sold. An extra 20 million consoles is an edge in my eyes.

jvd said:
Many will rather invest the money in a bigger hdtv set instead of two hdtv sets

You should know better the PS3 can hook up to one HDTV and one regular TV.

jvd said:
If your talking about messaging well how in gods name am i going to type and play madden at the same time ? I guess you cuold voice chat but wouldn't u rather have your head set on for madden ? I guess i would just use speaker phone on my phone to talk to her . I really don't see how the second monitor would help there.

Yes I meant voice chat. You have a good point its just the thought of me being able to do it that sikes me up. :D

Also I forgot to say on the PS3 you will be able to surf the net while playing videogames or watching movies on the second screen. So if your little sister wants to watch SpiderMan 3 in HD (Blu-ray of course :)) and Dad has to finish his work on the computer you can just fire up that second screen and bam you can read and post on B3D (with your bluetooth enabled keyboad and mouse :devilish: ).
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You keep saying this majorty of the people stuff. You, I, and every person here knows that only an estimated 10% of people play Xbox Live. Thats 1 out of 10. Now for every one of those extras that the PS3 has I think you can replace them with that 1 out of 10 people for the PS3. I can easily see 1 out of 10 people using built-in wifi, bluetooth, 2 tvs for gaming and other entertainment, SD CF or MS duo slots, or utilizing 1080p.

The amount of people who use xbox live on the x360 will be greater than those using 1080p + sd , cf , ms duo , dual tvs , bluetooth combined

Please note I never mentioned wifi as a feature no one will use or few will so don't lump that in there . I think wifi is great out of the box and I'm happy both sony and nintnedo are offering it .

To me that evens it out. I don't know if you remember but 50 inch 720p TVs were damn near too high for anybody to buy. Only the pure elight had them. Prices now my be better but they were unreasonable in 2002.
Once again these aren't really price factors (Except dual screens ) for the bluetooth , sd , cf , ms duo these are features that few will use . I will wager that out of all those the ms duo will be the slot that gets the most use and what really makes me wonder is why the other standards when sony has thier own ? As a sony customer who is interested in a psp and a ps3 which flash media are you going to buy ? As I said these features will be rarely used by the large majority and I will argue that it would have benfited consumers if sony just stuck with 1 type like memory stick duo in the long run .

THe reason why I say this is simply . Less money to produce the system in the short term and long term and greater compatibility with other sony products like the psp .

Thats a pretty huge jump there. The difference between 2009 and 2011 could probably be like 20 million consoles sold. An extra 20 million consoles is an edge in my eyes.

Once again the only problem with your thinking is the amount of tittles that will take advantage of this . If sony forces 1080p as the standard res for all games (like ms did with 720p + 4x fsaa) then I will agree its an edge , but if few games support it and many more support it with reduced framerates then there might be a problem

What good is 1080p on a system if 10-30% of games don't feature it ? Esp towards the end of the consoles life when both systems will be pushed to the limits in terms of graphics ?

Anyway as i said the hype will be moving to the new systems so even if by 2009 there are enough people who have 1080p and enough ps3 games that support that res then yes it will be an advantage . If not then its no advantage .

You should know better the PS3 can hook up to one HDTV and one regular TV.

So wait lets look at it this way .

You come to my house and I have a 27inch hdtv and a 27 inch ntsc tv . Do you really think your going to be happy looking at the image off the normal tv esp when u can glance over and see the higher res game next to it ? The diffrence is huge in the quality . If you have a dual monitor video card run the 720p movies and then run the 640x480 videos and you can see a huge huge diffrence in quality .

Yes I meant voice chat. You have a good point its just the thought of me being able to do it that sikes me up.

Which still makes no sense at all. I can get a regular phone nad hook up my xbox live head phones to it and talk to my gf and then switch them back over to my xbox instead of having to hook up a second tv to chat with her through voice. Now mabye video would be cool but then again that would require my gf to have a ps3 .

What you describe really isn't practical .

Also I forgot to say on the PS3 you will be able to surf the net while playing videogames or watching movies on the second screen. So if your little sister wants to watch SpiderMan 3 in HD (Blu-ray of course ) and Dad has to finish his work on the computer you can just fire up that second screen and bam you can read and post on B3D (with your bluetooth enabled keyboad and mouse ).

Where am i going to do this ?

Unless you really think my sister would want to watch spiderman 3 on a regular tv with me with a tv near it . Remember we will be basicly bound to one room.

While it sounds nice in theory once again the practical use is going to be slim to none .

Remember where ever you are your going to need two tvs to do this . I don't really see the average family having a big screen hdtv and then next to it a standard tv or even 10 or so feet away let alone another hdtv just so that one of the family members can surf the web. I would actually see that family buying a second pc if the pc time was in such demand


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As I said these are all things that go both ways and really don't add much to the primary function of the console . They are all nice to haves. So yea once in a blue moon i can see a bunch of friends coming over and us hooking up a second tv if we get into large groups . But really at the point it most likely would be much easier to hook up a second system to that tv and instead get x on x in a game where each team can have one tv and one system and play lan style .
 
I think X360 may have too few ports/features, but on the flipside PS3 certainly has more than is required, or perhaps even sensible. Here's how I see it.

On the X360 side:

No BR/HD drive - No drama, I don't think games will need the extra space, and they can always bring out a PSX-style media-centric X360 in the future.
No WiFi/Bluetooth - It'd be nice to have these built-in, but only if there was a single standard for wireless communication. As it is, either MS or the customer would end up paying for a feature that a large chunk of people wouldn't use, and I guess they can bring out an adaptor for every standard they feel like supporting.
No CF/SD slots - I would've liked to have seen MS choose one of these to use as memory cards.
USB ports - Some more of these would be good, say 4 on the front, 2+ on the back, and all peripherals/add-ons done via USB.
No 1080p - Would've been nice, but I don't think it'll make a significant difference over 720p with 4xAA, nor do I think enough people will have 1080p sets this generation to warrant it.
A/V Outputs - I'm not entirely sure how X360 sits as far as outputs go, but if the external A/V pack doesn't support HDMI/DVI and digital audio, then it's just not good enough for what is supposedly a HD console.

On the PS3 side:

BR Drive - Great selling point if BR movies take off, but it could backfire if a unified standard steals the show and Sony is left having to pay that little extra on every console to support BR with no movie revenue to cover it.
WiFi/Bluetooth - Nice to have, and while not everyone is going to use them, I guess they get some extra value out of the bluetooth with the controllers and the WiFi with PSP. If people want to use a different wireless standard Sony can release a peripheral, but someone's still paying for the original WiFi capability.
Dual screens - Gimmick IMHO, but if RSX already supports it I guess it'll excite a few people and won't cost much. If they do something like running the game at 720p on each screen for multiplayer, then it could be cool.
MS/CF/SD slots - Good move, but overkill, would've done fine with just MS. It's a little extra cost they don't need, and I can't see anyone buying MS over the other two unless they have a Sony PSP/camera/etc.
3 Ethernet ports - Er, why? Am I missing something? I'm sure they're cheap to slap on there, but it's still unnecessary expenditure.
HDD - I don't think we know for sure if the HDD will come with the console or not, but if it doesn't then it's worthless.

There's probably more that I've missed.
 
I think Blu-Ray is only major X-factor..either Blu-Ray catches on or not, it will not hurt PS3 in any major way, but if Blu-Ray becomes standard and becomes next big thing, then watch out.
I don't see any possible advantage that PS3 has over Xbox360 beside that.
 
mckmas8808 said:
This is a really good interview. Probably the best that I've ever seen from the MS side. And I most say my respect has risen about 100% from watching it. You have to watch it and if you seen it before please don't flame me. :D He talks in detail about...

1. How their software is key and will give them an edge in the graphics again like it did this generation.

2. How he feels competing against Sony.

3. Why they didn't go with Blu-ray or HD-DVD.

4. Trying to get the Japaneese market.

5. And he finishes with talking about the world wide launch.

http://movies.teamxbox.com/xbox/e305/j_interview_518_1.wmv

That's way too much fluff for my taste. I want to see results.
 
I don't think bluray is going to be a factor at all, most people are going to play the games on standard tvs, and bluray movies are not going to look any better then dvd on them, I doubt hdtv sales are going to go up because of the consoles some will buy them but most are going to keep there old tvs, and others aren't going to buy them untill standard tvs are off the market

all the inputs are usles if you don't have a hardrive to trasfer the data to, maybe taking screenshots, looking at pictures, or downloads, but if the harddrive came standard, or it could be networked to work with your pc they wouldn't be needed
 
mckmas8808 said:
Don't you think thats a little too early for a next next generation system. I mean the X360 is basically coming out in 2006. 3 years is way too short.

Not really. What year did XBOX come out? 2001. What year is 360 coming out 2005. That's 4 years.

360 is launching at the end of 2005, the xbox-3 would probably be launching at the end of 2009 as well, holiday season, so that's 4 years not 3.

Seems likely to me, 2010 at the latest is my guess, these consoles are gonna seem so weak by 2009. 512MB of RAM will seem like next to nothing.
 
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