Iwata on Nintendo Revolution

[Shifty Geezer]

Wheel/pedals first, 360 gamepad second choice.

Sorry, but I've got to give the nod to the analog triggers, which simulate a gas and brake pedal far better than sticking your arm farther forward or pulling it back would. And the analog triggers are better than digital buttons as well.

So you'd take a wheel+pedals over a standard controller, because it's more realistic? What about a baseball game? Which would you prefer, a standard controller or one you can swing like a bat? How's about a Star Wars lightsabre game? Would you prefer a standard controller or one you can swing like a lightsabre? Would you prefer a thumbstick to point your gun in a shooter, or a control you actually point with? And how's about a wierd unicycle game where you have to balance. Would you rather try that on a thumbstick or with a tilt sensitive controller? If you like a wheel over a gamepad, would you not prefer the Revolution controller housed in a wheel frame that works on how much it's rotated in either direction, over a 360 gamepad, with analogue buttons on the wheel for gas and brake?

 

[mckmas8808]

To be honest, nintendo isn't aiming for # 1. They are simply trying to maintaint the home console market share they have. This came from a friend of mine (a game designer) working closely with nintendo of Japan. I grew up with this guy and I treat him as family, we dreamed of working in video games our entire lives, and he's made it big (i'm too stubborn to move out there). I mean he's had compliments from Miyamoto himself. I've mentioned who he was in the past and what game he was working on, so you'll have to dig that info up if that's what you are planning to ask.

Anyway back to some things he told me. he's flying to Japan in a few weeks to discuss how they will utilize the revoloution controller in their next game. He gave me a call on saturday and we started talking about nintendo... he said niintendo fully expects to lose some developer support with revoloution. They think they can reach some new audiences, but they expect companies like EA and their sports titles to not be on the platform due to the controller (even though technically you can still use a game cube controller.). Multiplatform games simply won't be working for nintendo. It's a risk they are willing to take it seems...

Man this is the biggest BS that I've read this Fcuking year!!! Not too say that you're lying but to actually hear the Nintendo is thinking like this on the real. It's really really depressing and I'm not a Nintendo fan at all. They actually expect to have less EA sports support and they are ok with that?

But honestly this is no big surprise. I've been hypothosising this since I've seen the controller here and on other boards. I think it's BS that I have to look up your friend's game too. I don't want to work so hard. Can you give up the info here and now?

 

[Shifty Geezer]

Man this is the biggest BS that I've read this Fcuking year!!!

Calm down! It's only saying they're looking at losing some dev support. I'm sure in the past 10 months more nonsensical opinions hvae been bantered around.

Not too say that you're lying but to actually hear the Nintendo is thinking like this on the real. It's really really depressing and I'm not a Nintendo fan at all. They actually expect to have less EA sports support and they are ok with that?

I would be in their shoes. Anyone wanting to play Madden and THUG is going to buy an XB360 or PS3 which is, by Nintendo's admission, a more powerful machine. Revolution is for people that want a different gaming experience. In the same way car companies make different types of cars for different customers with different requirements, what's wrong with Nintendo going adifferent way? Why compete in the sports-car market against Ferrari and friends and when there looks to be a larger market for family saloons that nobody's making any cars for?

 

[mckmas8808]

I would be in their shoes. Anyone wanting to play Madden and THUG is going to buy an XB360 or PS3 which is, by Nintendo's admission, a more powerful machine. Revolution is for people that want a different gaming experience. In the same way car companies make different types of cars for different customers with different requirements, what's wrong with Nintendo going adifferent way? Why compete in the sports-car market against Ferrari and friends and when there looks to be a larger market for family saloons that nobody's making any cars for?

Nope to survive marketshare wise videogames don't work like that. They can't just throw away Multi-million dollar sellers like that likes it's no big deal. NO WAY!!!
Games like Madden, Live, THUG, EA's College Football, and all the other games that are great 3rd party million dollar seller every year just can't be ignored.

I can guarantee you and Nintendo that they will not be able to outsell these 3rd party games with their own software that will utilize the Rev controller for the non-gamers. No way it's not going to happen. I hate the fact that they are just giving up. What the hell is wrong with freaking Nintendo? Have some damn heart!!

 

[Guden Oden]

Games like Madden, Live, THUG, EA's College Football, and all the other games that are great 3rd party million dollar seller every year just can't be ignored.

You forget this is nintendo we're talking about here. These great 3rd party million dollar sellers are millions of dollars NOT going into Nintendo's pockets, but instead EA's. Seems Nintendo figures they can do better themselves if EA bails on them.

Frankly I think they're doing the right thing, I can't be bothered to even cross two sticks on behalf of EAs derivative bullshit shovelware sports titles. Those games are the biggest money ripoffs since...EVER.

 

[Shifty Geezer]

Nope to survive marketshare wise videogames don't work like that. They can't just throw away Multi-million dollar sellers like that likes it's no big deal. NO WAY!!!
Games like Madden, Live, THUG, EA's College Football, and all the other games that are great 3rd party million dollar seller every year just can't be ignored.

Well all I can say is this is the same attitude this gives us sequel upon sequel and sooner or later it always gives way to something new. Harry Potter was released at a time when realism was fashionable, fantasy was out. Rather then thinking 'hmm, realism sells books we'd better stick to realism,' Bloomsbury tried something different and reaped the rewards, where others hadn't the nouse to try something different and see how the public reacts.

Yes the generic sports-games may be the staple diet of contemporary gamers, but unless you have a crystal ball that shows the future in perfect clarity, no-one really knows if this will give way in future to a gaming style that's more akin to Revolutions. Regardless it's the risk-takers who both fail miserably and rise to dramatic success on the whims of Providence. Thank goodness not everyone plays it safe or we'd live in a mindnumblingly dull world.

 

[JasonLD]

I think EA will support Revolution, not as much as XB360 or PS3 but at least most of major franchises will be on Rev...I am like 90% sure..lol
As with developer support, it will depends on how Nintendo does in first year...if Nintendo manages to bring out real killer title that really utilizes their new controller and does exceptional job with it..and manages to sell ton of Rev, then Nintendo doesn't have to worry about developer support because there will be plenty of them willing to support.
To me, Revolution is more exciting then XB360 or PS3 simply because it will be totally different experience from how I used to play. Only letdown is that Rev will be kind of less exciting hardware compared to others....

 

[mckmas8808]

Yes the generic sports-games may be the staple diet of contemporary gamers, but unless you have a crystal ball that shows the future in perfect clarity, no-one really knows if this will give way in future to a gaming style that's more akin to Revolutions. Regardless it's the risk-takers who both fail miserably and rise to dramatic success on the whims of Providence. Thank goodness not everyone plays it safe or we'd live in a mindnumblingly dull world.

There's more games that just freaking generic sports games. Hell I thought lots of people in today's time were complaining about Nintendo's lack of third party support. This is a super smart videogame board and I can't believe people here are caving in so fast. So now all of a sudden EA (the biggest 3rd party supporter in the world) doesn't really matter that much? Just toss them to the side and think Nintendo's 1st party games will do? Heck no what's wrong with some of you people?

Since the N64 when has Nintendo ever made people think that their 1st party games will give them the best marketshare? NEVER! And my point being if Nintendo is content with that then you guys (out of anybody on the internet) should understand my anger. Why give up 3rd party support? WHY??? I bet nobody can give me a good reason to just rely on 1st party Nintendo. Nobody.

1. Did it help them when they stay with cartargies and killed some support?

2. Did it help them when they kept royalties high and killed some 3rd party support?

3. Did it help them to go against the grain and not fully support online gaming?

Do you get it? They keep losing marketshare. They keep selling less and less consoles each and every generation. Think about it.

All of the answers to 1,2, and 3 are NO!! And if what Qroach's friend says is true then sticking with a wierd yet cool controller, but eliminating great 3rd party support again will not help in the grand scheme of things.

 

[Qroach]

mckmas8808,

I think you need to be banned so you can cool off a little. You're jumping on anything even remotley negative and blowing up to be bigger than it really is. This hasn't happened, and things can change. I do admit there's some games this new controller just won't be great with, but thats more a matter of opinion at this point. you're simply blowing everything out of pro portion. i don't however see you react to any comments about PS3 like this, so chill out...

 

[mckmas8808]

mckmas8808,

I think you need to be banned so you can cool off a little. You're jumping on anything even remotley negative and blowing up to be bigger than it really is. This hasn't happened, and things can change. I do admit there's some games this new controller just won't be great with, but thats more a matter of opinion at this point. you're simply blowing everything out of pro portion. i don't however see you react to any comments about PS3 like this, so chill out...

You made it seem like a close fact that Nintendo was already knowing that they will lose some 3rd party support. You made it seem like Nintendo was content with being the 2nd console. And why should I be banned? Oh and for the record

1. If the PS3 is extremely hard to program for then yes I can see Sony losing some marketshare due to the Xbox360 tools.

2. If Ken Kutargi is really being too hard on devs and they are leaving him then I would say he would have been the father and murderer of the Playstation brand.

3. If the PS3 is released at $500 like some people think then Sony are crazy and they will probably lose some marketshare due to this.

4. If Sony can't supply Europe with PS3's this year then yes Europe could easily start going over to MS's side due to them being out so much earlier.

5. If the controller feels as bad as it looks then that alone could turn people off to the PS3, being that the Xbox 360 controller is damn near perfect.

I could do this forever about any Sony videogame product. What's the big deal? I'm not a fanboi. I was just thinking that your friend in the industry knew something. I didn't realize that he was assuming just like the rest of us.

 

[Qroach]

STOP OVER REACTING. understand? it's simple... as far as I can recall, the future hasn't happened yet, so going around and spreading what I said as "fact" simply isn't right. yes this is what my friend heard, but things change.

did you see anyone spazzing out ove rwhat I said? no, except you felt the need to take it as a 100% proven fact. This is what my friend has observed but that doesn't mean it's the way things will 100% play out. jeez...

 

[Neeyik]

Qroach and mckmass8808 - the pair of you need to stop over-reacting to each and other's comments, and that includes following it on into other threads! Any more thread editing required and the tempaban stick will come out...*waves threateningly*

 

[Qroach]

hold on a sec, you're saying your going to give me a temporary ban for telling someone to not over react to MY post? Honestly, have you see the way he is acting in 95% of the threads he's posted in tonight?

 

[Neeyik]

No - I'm asking you to stop following mckmass8808 into other threads and questioning him/her in them publically. If you really feel the need to do so, then do it privately please, but I would prefer you to alter moderators/staff to incidents and not make matters worse.

 

[Qroach]

hey i tried to report a few of his posts to the Mods, but for some reason that functionality didn't work. Sure i'll send him a personal message but that's not going to stop the way he's acting. only you can do that... i was simply trying to point it out incase you didn't see it. I'm honestly suprised he hasn't been banned yet.

If i'm making matters worse, i'll leave. it's as simple as that.

 

[Xenus]

What Neeyik is saying you both need to back away. It doesn't matter who started it or who was is the right if anyone was.

 

[Neeyik]

What Neeyik is saying you both need to back away. It doesn't matter who started it or who was is the right if anyone was.

Somebody gets it at least - anyway, it's 00:40 here and I've got work in 6 hours time. Must...sleep...zzzzz

 

[Qroach]

oh brother... good night then...

 

[Powderkeg]

You forget this is nintendo we're talking about here. These great 3rd party million dollar sellers are millions of dollars NOT going into Nintendo's pockets, but instead EA's. Seems Nintendo figures they can do better themselves if EA bails on them.

The last console that EA bailed on was the Dreamcast.

Just a little historical note for you to think about while you claim this would be a good thing.

 

[Powderkeg]

So you'd take a wheel+pedals over a standard controller, because it's more realistic? What about a baseball game? Which would you prefer, a standard controller or one you can swing like a bat? How's about a Star Wars lightsabre game? Would you prefer a standard controller or one you can swing like a lightsabre? Would you prefer a thumbstick to point your gun in a shooter, or a control you actually point with? And how's about a wierd unicycle game where you have to balance. Would you rather try that on a thumbstick or with a tilt sensitive controller? If you like a wheel over a gamepad, would you not prefer the Revolution controller housed in a wheel frame that works on how much it's rotated in either direction, over a 360 gamepad, with analogue buttons on the wheel for gas and brake?

For a FPS, I'll take a keyboard mouse first, gamepad second, and some wanna-be light gun with a seperate thumbstick controller as a distant third.

I don't play baseball games, and I don't recall too many realistic baseball games made for the GCN.

And a Star Wars lightsaber game? That would suck.

And as far as racing games go, I prefer sim racers, so it's a wheel and pedal or nothing for me. And no, some goofy expensive attachment for the Nintendo controller wouldn't cut it for me. True Force Feedback all the way.


I honestly don't know what you are trying to convince me of. That the Revolution will have some niche games that make use of it's controller? I have no doubt about that, it's just that the Revolution controller doesn't work well as an all-purpose controller, while the gamepad does.

If the Revolution controller was a good multi-purpose controller, it wouldn't need add-ons.