Is G4 TV owned by sony?
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Acert93 said:
Biased my ass. And who called them "game creator"? That was you - not me.
1) Sony's mission with this conference was to quash the Xbox360 threat. I'm sure they'd love to kill it early as they helped do to Dreamcast. Microsoft's just too big to mess around with.
So they'll display the PS2 and PSP games on the show floor - where they can be played, where they can be scrutinized, where they belong.
2) Sony's conference showed previews of many more games I'm interested in - Tekken, Killzone, Heavenly Sword, Warhawk, GT5, Killing Day, that Insomniac war shooter, and MotorStorm, to name some a few - than either Microsoft or Nintendo. They've focused on the hardware. Now they're making sure they get the games - first-party, third-party, whatever - and that's what I'm here for.
For me, Microsoft's message as it related to games got diluted in the hip-hop clothes and "marketplace" babble.
MS release time is just perfect, late fall before Xmas. Sony you will have to wait at least a year. MS does not need to do much, PR can only get you so much, once system comes out with spectacular games, Sony will just have to wait til next xmas. This is how Sony has won the last battle, kind of funny the 2 company role is reverse this time, Sony has better hardware, MS will have a head start.
jvd said:
You know, jvd, it's universally acknowledged that the Sony conference, the Sony games, the whole goddamn thing - are more of what the majority of people are looking for. Look around the Internet. Turn on your TV. Read what people are saying. Besides, these games, or their prequels, are what made the PS2 the utterly dominant platform it is today.
I'm not going to debate this with you. Sony showed more than enough realtime stuff to convince me. And as someone just posted, John Davidson from 1up asked a guy he knows who's actually working on Killzone - and the guy said "pretty much all of it" [the Killzone footage] was real.
Kolgar said:
Yeah, you saw a whole lot of previews... of FMV
You are a Sony fan, no problem being excited about what may come. But I am not a Sony/MS/Nintendo fan. I am a game fan. In that regards, like I have said in at least a dozen posts, I will wait for actual games and see them (and even play them in person) before I start spouting "This game is the best" or "This is the game I was waiting for". Graphics are only one element; at this point the top MS games look just as good as the Sony best games (CGI vs. CGI).And back to the games, I can see why you are excited about those Sony franchises. But I am tired of the same old song MS did not show exciting games. Ghost Recon 3. PGR 3. Elder Scrolls. Gears of War. Madden. NBA 2K6. Condemned. What games get your excited is one thing, so I do not expect you to be as excited about the Xbox 360 lineup as the Sony--that is a taste thing. But what MS was showing was not weak, and I see no way to see how the game message got lost. I watched all of the shows, and I kept hearing a lot about the games from MS--40 launch titles, 200 in development, a ton of EA support, Square Support blah blah blah.
The only difference is MS was showing some real game footage and MS was hyping up Xbox Live which is a big deal as there will be 215M broadband customers at the end of this year and almost 300M by the end of 2006. The features of Live are very important to online gamers--i.e. the early adopters with enough money to drop $400 for a new console and a game or two.
Sony may have shown more games you were interested, but MS did not lack in this area to their fans. So I am at a loss how Sony was all about the games (actually they were a good portion about technical details, as any report will tell you) when they really did not show many games in number or of ingame footage. It seems Sony is more about games you want... but I am certain that is not a universal barometer. Even some of the titles you mention are unknown or have spotty histories.
You could say you are judging the games based on CGI potential... presonally I have seen enough glitter, fake mock ups, and no substance from the last dozen E3s that I could really give a hoot.
Imo, the best things at the Sony show for me as a gamer were the EyeToy demo and the UT2007 demo. Both were real. And apples to apples, UT2007 seemed right on par with what MS was showing. So pardon me lack of enthusiasm for any title that is in CGI "game target" state.
Kolgar said:
For the last time: You are all hyped up over movie trailers
They are not games at all at this point. To compare, what if a MS fan went: Oh yeah, the DoA4 CGI really got me excited... but wait, did the final game using the same assets live up to the CGI? No. That excitement was misplaced. Been through enough E3s to know NOT to get all excited until you see real game.There is a GPU 2.5x as powerful as a 6800U in the PS3. I have a 6800U card. It chokes on FarCry with HDR at 1024x768 with no AA. Things will run better on a closed box, but the question is how many of those eye candy features (blur, lighting, shadowing, HDR, etc) will run smooth at 60fps at 1080p? Not even you can answer that at this point and it is a valid concern.
As for dominance, I would argue they vast library of games is what made the PS what it is. Looking at the games shown there are a lot of unknowns. Killzone is a prime example--it was a PS2 DUD. Tekken is a great fighting game but fighting games are a much more limited genre of appeal these days. KillingDay looked clunky and the Insomniac shooter did not impress me much at all. This is not to rip on all the titles--I have played none. Motor Storm looked awesome, as did UT2007, FF is always exciting for RPG fans, GT is always excellent, MGS is getting worn but is a system seller, GTA (as much as I dislike it) is HOT HOT HOT, etc...
But MS has really moved in forward this area with not only a lot of support but has also obtained big names. You may not like Halo, Forza, Jade Empire, or any of the other stuff they showed, but there is a market for it. MS went from NO franchises in 2001 against a massive Sony and has slowly built up a nest egg of support.
As someone who has NOT made up their mind on what to get all I can say is I am not going to rush to conclusions based off of some CGI. You were leaning heavily toward Sony to begin with, but I was in the middle of the road. And that is why we look at E3 differently. E3, to you, validates your tastes. E3 to me, so far, has been hype from both corners. Sorry if you do not see it that way, but I will be happy basing my decision on real game evidence and not some CGI from MS or SOny. If Xbox 360 launch bombs and Halo 3 looks weak SONY HERE I COME!!!
1. Very little realtime using the RSX; and the Spiderman stuff was not technically difficult as someone here explained.
2. Well someone here first hand knows someone who worked on the CGI trailer for it. So who to believe? Laa-Yosh has been very reliable and not overspoken in the past, sooo....
Geeforcer said:
Yeah and breaking in a new KB... got a mini KB as I moved from a KB/Trackball to a MS/KB. Since I am short I did not like the feeling of my arm streatched out so I moved to a new KB that had no numeric pad which I miss...
So to get used to the new KB I am typing... at B3D 8)
Damn, the PS hatas, really come out in full force huh. Im not buying ans X-box 360, but their inclusion into the console world has made this race THAT much more interesting. i thank them for that, Who knows, even Nintendo, which is grossly underpowered, I might pick up. Well, WILL, cause I love them and Sony, and this time, i will be in with the online crowd.
As for the opeing statements of this Post, what G4 T.V where you watching for the last few years. MOrgan and Adam ALLWAYS dissed PS2 on the sly. In fact I was wondering if microsoft was paying G4 off. They were THAT impressed by what they saw, simple, Im more impressed by the console design of the new X-box. But damn, did you see what kind of worlds the Cell is capable of generating without the GPU. I'm ovulating now.
And as for the Killzone demo, when they were in those sky vehicles, and hit the ground, then I felt the demo transitioned to real-time gameplay. I agree with someone on another thread. PLEASE Sony, do not tout anything as a Halo killer. Let the tribe speak when it comes out. I love reading up on the techmology and try to understand the capability of all current Gen consoles.
that is my two cents. Peace
As for the opeing statements of this Post, what G4 T.V where you watching for the last few years. MOrgan and Adam ALLWAYS dissed PS2 on the sly. In fact I was wondering if microsoft was paying G4 off. They were THAT impressed by what they saw, simple, Im more impressed by the console design of the new X-box. But damn, did you see what kind of worlds the Cell is capable of generating without the GPU. I'm ovulating now.
And as for the Killzone demo, when they were in those sky vehicles, and hit the ground, then I felt the demo transitioned to real-time gameplay. I agree with someone on another thread. PLEASE Sony, do not tout anything as a Halo killer. Let the tribe speak when it comes out. I love reading up on the techmology and try to understand the capability of all current Gen consoles.
that is my two cents. Peace
The funny thing after watching the whole show . Is when they admit they dunno if its real time but yet the claim its a halo killer .
Thats pretty silly if you ask me . They should have been responsable and check the facts before the reported on them .
They spent a whole show hyping it and then they said they didn't know if it was real time .
Kinda sad
Thats pretty silly if you ask me . They should have been responsable and check the facts before the reported on them .
They spent a whole show hyping it and then they said they didn't know if it was real time .
Kinda sad
Acert93 said:
Hey, i'm not gonna get into this bitchslapping contest, but just for clarification, using FarCry as an example for what GPUs can and can't do on PC is not really a good move.
FarCry is a CPU hog, whatever GPU you put into a PC, FarCry will be slow. It's not the GPU's fault, it's the CPU that can't keep up. I thought this was old news.
Besides, it's a PC game, and we all know that console games will be 188329times more optimised than a PC game ever will.
Cell is a more powerful CPU than a PC will see in a long time (with regards to gaming performance) so it's not all as bad as you make it out to be.
I'm convinced that 2nd or 3rd gen PS3 games will be able to replicate graphbics that are very close to that Killzone video. If it can't, we will still have fantastically gorgeous games to play on both PS3 and X360.
Besides, you keep saying they showed ALL FMVs. I'm sorry, but apart from the Killzone one, Motorstorm and Tekken (still not confirmed, but i really think that was prerendered), all the rest was realtime, or at least "what things will look like on PS3 at launch". Still better than the utter flatness of some MS videos. Apart from PGR (still unconfirmed if it's realtime), the only video that showed the X360 capabilities was GOW. It might make MS look like the "good guys" for not "lying" (which they did anyway), but really, i think it was a stupid move. They know what the X360 capabilities are, it's not hard to make non-realtime demos with restrictions (according to the final architecture) to show "how things will look like on X360".
It's called marketing. It's what put Sony where they are now, and they need to start learning very fast.
Sony were also the only ones playing around with realtime demos, including the UE3.
Wow, this is really getting silly.
Say MS had 4 realtime demos, and 3 prerendered, out of the total 7 demos they show (the numbers are made up fyi)
Sony had 4 realtime demos and 5 prerendered, out of the total 9 demos they show.
Which one is "lying" more? Even if Sony had 3:6 it still wouldn't be that much different.
It wasn't like they showed thousands of demos, and less than half of them were realtime.
You people are blowing these thing waaay out of porportion, desperately trying to make your favorite company look better.
Both are showing footage that is in many cases only descriptive of what the machines area capable. In both cases, eventually the consoles will be able to display game visuals very close to, or even surpassing the prerendered demos.
Witness PS2 E3 conference demos, they all have been surpassed. Some even already by launch games (EU and NA Tekken TAG )
Killzone, realtime or not realtime. Doesn't matter, there were already more reliable examples of what the machine will be capable of, why not discuss about them. UT2007 looked amazing, FFVII looked amazing, Heavenly Sword looked amazing and is reliably confirmed realtime, Eyedentify looked delicious, the realtime tech demos looked interesting.
Killzone was just one of the many impressive showings.
It's as if poeple just had to find something to pick on, and cry teh SONY Hype suckas!11!!. And Killzone was the perfect target as it was the one most thought was the best looking demo, although most of the impressivenes for that comes from direction.
Say MS had 4 realtime demos, and 3 prerendered, out of the total 7 demos they show (the numbers are made up fyi)
Sony had 4 realtime demos and 5 prerendered, out of the total 9 demos they show.
Which one is "lying" more? Even if Sony had 3:6 it still wouldn't be that much different.
It wasn't like they showed thousands of demos, and less than half of them were realtime.
You people are blowing these thing waaay out of porportion, desperately trying to make your favorite company look better.
Both are showing footage that is in many cases only descriptive of what the machines area capable. In both cases, eventually the consoles will be able to display game visuals very close to, or even surpassing the prerendered demos.
Witness PS2 E3 conference demos, they all have been surpassed. Some even already by launch games (EU and NA Tekken TAG
)Killzone, realtime or not realtime. Doesn't matter, there were already more reliable examples of what the machine will be capable of, why not discuss about them. UT2007 looked amazing, FFVII looked amazing, Heavenly Sword looked amazing and is reliably confirmed realtime, Eyedentify looked delicious, the realtime tech demos looked interesting.
Killzone was just one of the many impressive showings.
It's as if poeple just had to find something to pick on, and cry teh SONY Hype suckas!11!!. And Killzone was the perfect target as it was the one most thought was the best looking demo, although most of the impressivenes for that comes from direction.
Regards PS3's lies, I only watched the tech demos in the conference, Ducks, EyeToy, Eplosion and Spiderman with HDR lighting. That impressed me (except explosion). It's stuff we can't do at the mo'. I then caught the Heavenly Sword demo which was in engine. I doubted whether this was really possible. Speaking with DeanoC it turns out it is. I'm impressed.
I've only seen GOW from the XB360 show. I was also impressed.
Point being, they, especially Sony, can't show real products when none have been written, so they show mock-ups of what they believe will be possible, saying that's what they're aiming for. Makes sense.
Can't see what all the fuss is about.
I've only seen GOW from the XB360 show. I was also impressed.
Point being, they, especially Sony, can't show real products when none have been written, so they show mock-ups of what they believe will be possible, saying that's what they're aiming for. Makes sense.
Can't see what all the fuss is about.
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As regards this guy saying that the Killzone demo shown at Sony's show was "almost all real", that's quite possibly entirely true, he never said "almost all real-time", it's fully possible that what was seen is a CGI intro to a level where in the real game the CGI will morph to the game engine some point beyond what we saw. Therefore what we saw would be "almost entirely real".
Still on this Killzone thing...
Look guys, if Laa-Yosh (a pretty decent member here, to say the least, and 3D artist) can't convince you that his mate worked on the Killzone CGI video, nothing will.
The video was Sony's way to show what kind of thing we'll see on PS3. The platform might or might not eventually output those kind of graphics, but in the end the point is, the video was CGI. Maybe restricted to the projected final capabilities of PS3, maybe not. But it was not realtime.
Look guys, if Laa-Yosh (a pretty decent member here, to say the least, and 3D artist) can't convince you that his mate worked on the Killzone CGI video, nothing will.
The video was Sony's way to show what kind of thing we'll see on PS3. The platform might or might not eventually output those kind of graphics, but in the end the point is, the video was CGI. Maybe restricted to the projected final capabilities of PS3, maybe not. But it was not realtime.
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