Is G4 TV owned by sony?

[quest55720]

G4 makes some very legitimate points concerning Microsoft and Nintendo. Sony clearly had the best showing - an opinion you'll hear die-hard Xbox and Nintendo fans bemoaning all over the internet. And soon you'll see it in the gaming press as well.

P.S. It wasn't just G4 people on that show, either. They had a guy from IGN and some other fella, too.

Sony might of had the better showing but that does not mean MS and Nintendo did nothing right. I would say PGR,GR and GoW were pretty damn impressive. I would say the new Xbox live is also pretty damn impressive. I also think that having playable games the next 3 days is a positive not a negative. I would say nintendogs has a chance to sell many DS and the micro GB has a chance to be a big time seller this holiday season.

If you watched the show you know they did not have 1 positive word for anyone but sony.

You wanna know a negative of the sony showing I spent 250 freaking dollars on the PSP and it was not a part of thier showing.

 

[pegisys]

Another killer is the darn leaks.

MS had some more leaks right before the show (Square Enix deal and something else). Having your employees/partners leak your console design, specs, exclusives, partners, etc... makes it REALLY hard to have an impressive anything.

No one had a clue about the GameBoy Micro. Yet we all knew what was under the Xbox 360 hood 12 months ago. Something just is not right about that.

that goes both ways I think the put the specs out on purpose so people wouldn't think it was going to be blown away by sony since everyone was hearing about the power of the cell

 

[Kolgar]

If you watched the show you know they did not have 1 positive word for anyone but sony.

That's false. Watch again. It's on at 11:00 CT.

They were fair, I thought. But they called a spade a spade, and MS and Nintendo simply warranted more criticism than Sony. That's all.

You wanna know a negative of the sony showing I spent 250 freaking dollars on the PSP and it was not a part of thier showing.

Come now, your PSP loves you. Isn't Sony showing a bunch of games for PSP at this show? Who knows, maybe by this time tomorrow, you'll have taken your sweet little portable out and given it a hug and a nice rubdown with a high-quality cleaning cloth!

I plan to do it for mine...

 

[jvd]

What G4 really hammered on is that both Microsoft and Nintendo seem to have muddled their messages.

Who's Microsoft going after? They have hardcore gamers now. What's this VelocityGirl talk? Do they really expect my mom to use this thing?

Ms made thier plans clear . There was no pricing but there is still 5 months more to go . Pricing gets released mabye 1 or 2 months before the system .


Ms is making an online community that they showed the workings and many neat features of it already . It was sony who said oh yea we will have online features .

Ms showed that it wanted the hardcore gamers and thier girl friends .

I dunno about u but my mother heard about the x360 arcade and got excited about the system. My mom hasn't been excited about any video game system since she got further in super mario bros than my father did .

The only thing sony did right was show marketing specs down our throats and show pretty cgi for most of thier apps .


This is what happened with the ps2 . Then when the ps3 comes out all these tv shows and print articles are going to gloss over the fact that none of the cgi that htey hsould us reflected the grpahics which will be nothing better than what is already out (The x360)


As for nintendo they most likely have another tgs and e3 before they launch . Why show stuff now ?

 

[one]

I do not feel MS going early had much to do with it.

Maybe true, but they could have optimized PD0 a bit more if they didn't try to headstart... or not?

I have a hard time believing that their big E3 surprise of Square Enix was intentionally leaked 24hrs before the show.

This is a pure speculation, but the Sony conference was set just before the MS conference, so it might be related, especially since I'd seen many Xbox fans on web forums were thrilled to see the leak about SE name on the list.

 

[RichardCypher101]

The only thing sony did right was show marketing specs down our throats and show pretty cgi for most of thier apps .


This is what happened with the ps2 . Then when the ps3 comes out all these tv shows and print articles are going to gloss over the fact that none of the cgi that htey hsould us reflected the grpahics which will be nothing better than what is already out (The x360)

This is a pretty biased statement, and continues to destroy your credibility as a mod on this forum.

Basically Sony gave marketing numbers out to the public to secure its stance as a powerful console after Microsoft previously touted with the same skewed logic. Basically an eye for an eye. Sony then went on to show off a number of titles that are stacking up to be AAA launch titles for the PS3. They gave out legitimate numbers regardless how many people here who are in disbelief or rather, in denial. We knew it was going to be a beast, and now that its been proven, why is it such a big deal?

C'mon, be a little more um...whats the word...yes, objective.

-Rich

 

[Acert93]

Who's Microsoft going after? They have hardcore gamers now. What's this VelocityGirl talk? Do they really expect my mom to use this thing?

Yes they do actually. Lost in all the hoopla was the fact Xbox Live will have retro gaming and card game type stuff (i.e. like Yahoo or whatever). This sounds very VERY stupid to you and me. We do not want this. But some startling facts: Moms are one of the BIGGEST gaming demographics.

They play cards, puzzles, word games, and so forth. IF MS can get them to buy their console because little Johnny can play his new Halo game and I can play some cards when the kids go to bed then score for MS.

Again, you and I see no purpose in this. But that is a very large group of people who like games--just not OUR games.

Do we really NEED another Gameboy that does that same things as all the others?

It is smaller--very small. Fit it in "the tightest jeans" as they said. Lets put it this way: If the GBu has an MP3 player I believe it could nail the iPod where it hurts. I think Nintendo should seriously consider that. I do not own an MP3 player, but an MP3 player that played GBA games??? Oh yeah, I would get that.

I think that would be a killer app. And at $100 for a game player and a MP3 player, that would be a steal. Listen to music or play games on the go... just no losing with that.

And despite the fact that the Revolution console's design appears targeted toward an older audience, once again, all the content they showed

But they also did not show any Rev software, so hard to determine what audiance. Like I said in the other thread, children do not care what the console looks like. Teens and adults do. So it would be best to make a design adults like just so you do not alienate that market.

I think a lot of people are surprised right now that of all the companies, Sony seems the most focused on building a great game player and delivering truly next-gen games.

PS3 is going online
PS3 is doing microtransactions
PS3 is a HD movie player not just a game device

To say they are more focused on building great games I think is misleading. That is selective look at the evidence. I can say the same for MS/Nintendo.

MS did not show CGIs, but showed real games and will have 40 launch titles, has the backing of the BIGGEST publisher in the world with 25 games in development, ~200 titles in development, Halo 3 in 2006, they have a lot more Japanese developer support, and Square Enix is on board.

Nintendo is focusing on finishing out this gen, but they clearly emphasized they are a Content Creation Company (repeated many times). They talked about their history of making games and they will continue doing so. They are brining not only new Zelda, Mario, and Metroid titles to the Revolution, but also ALL their games. They also want to cater to big game makers and indie style game makers.

We can be selective in how we read the evidence. I could say "Sony is aiming only at the big budget companies. They are using the PS3 as a trojan for their BR drive which raises costs, and they are pushing their movie studios hard with tie ins. And while they may talk some games, they surely are not showing games--just a lot of CGI".

[b[]That reminds me, no PSP or PS2 games were mentioned at the conference[/b]. See, I think it is really unfair--and biased--to present Sony as the most focused game creator is very selective.

As I said before many times, Sony had the best presentation. But judging their focus and what they are delivering is impossible at this point.

ALL hype.

And until one of the big three gets games into peoples hands it will all remain big hype. In that regards, MS is definately ahead with at least a promise of quite a few games. 40 at launch is impressive, and EAs support is big the US.

That sounds pretty game focused to me--at least enough to make it clear MS is not ignoring the games.

 

[ManuVlad3.0]

killzone was not real time.

About Killzone Demo - From John Davision blog - 1Up

I ran into an old friend from the UK when we were leaving, and it turns out he's now working on Killzone at SCEE. When I asked him how "real" the video we'd just seen was, his response was "just about all of it."

 

[jvd]

Basically Sony gave marketing numbers out to the public to secure its stance as a powerful console after Microsoft previously touted with the same skewed logic. Basically an eye for an eye. Sony then went on to show off a number of titles that are stacking up to be AAA launch titles for the PS3. They gave out legitimate numbers regardless how many people here who are in disbelief or rather, in denial. We knew it was going to be a beast, and now that its been proven, why is it such a big deal?

Can you list the games that are offical said to be real time in the demo not those people are saying real time
?

Do you believe 1.8 tflops from a gpu ?


The problem is the specs are highly inflated . They aren't even based anywhere in reality and if you look they basicly just doubled what ms was saying

Then they have 2 (possibly 3) real time videos and tried to pass the rest off as real time .

 

[Acert93]

Maybe true, but they could have optimized PD0 a bit more if they didn't try to headstart... or not?

Maybe, maybe not.

1. Rare lost a lot of people when MS bought them (and before that a lot of people left to form Free Radical, TimeSplitters maker)
2. Rare has always taken a long time to make games right, relying on them for a launch title is stupid
3. Rare may not be the rare we all loved. PDZ was not only dissappointed, but so is Kameo in many ways. They both look like ports.

I know MS put $375M into them, but they may just need to realize it was a bad deal and put Rare to the side and focus on what everyone else is doing. If they had focused on GoW, PGR3, and GR3 we would not be worrying so much.

Sadly someone at MS made a BIG BIG BIG mistake pushing PDZ as the flagship. The flagship is just that--the BEST. It clearly was not the best shown, and that should have raised a big flag.

Because of it MS is getting a lot of backlash. And in many ways it is deserved for being stupid--but that does not mean we should ignore the stellar stuff on the platform either.

I am not defending the MS as the best (far from it) I just think they did do some good stuff. What will be the true test is actually seeing games and seeing how they play.

If they have 3 GOOD games at launched I will be shocked. Rarely do you get 3 good titles at launch. Keeping that in perspective is important in my opinion.

 

[RichardCypher101]

Wheres any confirmation saying otherwise? I think the main demo that everyone has been shouting out "Pre-Rendered!!!" was the Killzone footage, which was by far the best on the floor. Yet even it was said to be:

http://1up.com/do/my1Up?publicUserId=5345401

I ran into an old friend from the UK when we were leaving, and it turns out he's now working on Killzone at SCEE. When I asked him how "real" the video we'd just seen was, his response was "just about all of it."

The GPU is based on a whole new architecture (Which is backed by a big huge budget) that we know little about. The CELL arch. years back (Again, backed by a big huge budget), before knowing a lick of its capabilities was a whole new architecture, and even then touting off numbers which sounded unrealistic compared to the current standards. -Yet it proved that it can be done.

Yes, a GPU present day touting off 1.8TFLOPS is bogus, but this is a new architecture that again, could be taking things in a whole new direction. I bold "could" because it can or can't, you dont know, I dont know. So we'll wait for some more specifications before pointing the whole "You're Talking BS" finger.

-Rich

EDIT:

The problem is the specs are highly inflated .

And you believe that MS's 1TFLOP number wasn't inflated?

 

[jvd]

Sadly someone at MS made a BIG BIG BIG mistake pushing PDZ as the flagship. The flagship is just that--the BEST. It clearly was not the best shown, and that should have raised a big flag.

they still have like 3 or 4 months to fix up the game .

It wont be a gow . But it can be pretty good looking and a pick up at launch for its 50 player multiplay .

They really just need to up the polygon count , up the quality of the textures and they will be fine .



We really don't know how old that build is that was shown or what they have planed . But u can bet that since it wasn't in thier big show that they are most likely working thier butts off on it . Who knows they might even push it back to the end of the launch window of 90s . That means if it launches in october they can possibly put out pdz two weeks before x mass and give them 6 or 7 months to fix the game up


Personal from thier launch line up


GOW

That racing game

Elder scrolls

So thats 3 good games for me hopefully . Which justifys the purchase (more than i had with any other system to date )

 

[Geeforcer]

MS did not show CGIs, but showed real games...

How do we know? I didn't see anyone pick up a joypad and drive around in PGR3, for example.

 

[jvd]

Wheres any confirmation saying otherwise

and he gives no name to who gave that info.

I call it bs till he names a source .
Esp since we have people here that are saying its not

The GPU is based on a whole new architecture

and so is the r500

Doesn't make me think they magicly jump that far into development . But then again nvidia claimed something like 200gflops on the nv30 and that we'd have toy story graphics . Forum users are already showing the fuzzy math and how nvidia is using a diffrent way of getting figures than ati does .

And you believe that MS's 1TFLOP number wasn't inflated?

when did i claim that it wasn't ?

I think both are . I think sonys is much further inflated than the ms number and it has to be . They are launching 6 -12 months later depending on the market we are talking about . If they came out and said we are 25% more powerfull they would have killed thier market.

 

[jvd]

MS did not show CGIs, but showed real games...

How do we know? I didn't see anyone pick up a joypad and drive around in PGR3, for example.

We don't , we only know a few games aren't .

But through out the rest of the show we should see more playables .

Ign says

Be sure to drop by the site later when we get wrap our hands behind the proverbial wheel and take PGR3 for a test drive

So I doubt ms would show cgi of it and then put a crappy version of it to play later in the week.

So in a few days we should know officaly on most of the microsoft titles

 

[RichardCypher101]

and he gives no name to who gave that info.

I call it bs till he names a source .
Esp since we have people here that are saying its not

A majority of the "credibility" here pales in comparison to even some of the worst IGN "Insiders".

So thats up in the air, its in the realm of possibility, or its not.

and so is the r500

Doesn't make me think they magicly jump that far into development . But then again nvidia claimed something like 200gflops on the nv30 and that we'd have toy story graphics . Forum users are already showing the fuzzy math and how nvidia is using a diffrent way of getting figures than ati does .

But they arent using the same brand spanking new architectures are they? Since when did they share IP like that? Just because both are new doesnt mean both are equally as good. nVidia has quite the weird past, but does it mean they're doing the same now? Do we know where and how this 1.8TFLOP number derived from within the GPU? I say, lets wait till we get more information until we can justify any answer any of us feel like giving on this forum.

when did i claim that it wasn't ?

I think both are . I think sonys is much further inflated than the ms number and it has to be . They are launching 6 -12 months later depending on the market we are talking about . If they came out and said we are 25% more powerfull they would have killed thier market.

Well, I didnt notice you pointing out any mistakes Microsoft has made regarding this, given Sony basically used the same logic as they did to get this magical "Full-System FLOP Rating". I just wanted to point it out incase you happened to forget.

-Rich

 

[jvd]

The reason why i didn't bring up the ms numbers is because no one is buying into fake marketing hype here from ms . They seem to be in droves for sony though

 

[Geeforcer]

They might have shown "what the finished version will look like", while letting people play around with work in progress. Again, maybe not. My point is, I am not going to make any calls on anything from anyone until I can see it actually being used. For example, I am convinced that PZ0 footage from MTV spot was real time.

 

[jvd]

the game that was playing when they went into the live menu to show it off was real time too . It was that k game .

 

[RichardCypher101]

The reason why i didn't bring up the ms numbers is because no one is buying into fake marketing hype here from ms . They seem to be in droves for sony though

Which is fine, I dont expect everyone to express their reasons why they do things, but it helps when the tell me anyway 8)

And its probably because the PS3 was and has already been expected to be a number crunching beast with CELL, and then all the talk about nVidia coming aboard. It's more desireable than what some of the other 2 companies are offering.

-Rich