That’s a good example.
Now that opens the door for MS to ship an ML based upscaler one day.
Intel XeSS anti-aliasing discussion
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That’s a good example.
Now that opens the door for MS to ship an ML based upscaler one day.
DegustatoR
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Haha so it's just FSR2 built into DX which is essentially useless.
But the biggest question of how a game would "enumerate" other options remains unanswered.
Will these options be a part of the driver now in which case AMD users won't be able to use XeSS?
Good question. The driver enumeration approach would be better for Intel and Nvidia users because devs wouldn’t be required to opt-in to DLSS and XeSS. But that also means no XeSS for AMD users.
I hope it’s the former because requiring devs to bundle proprietary DLLs and deal with all the IHV marketing nonsense is no better than what we have today and will limit adoption. It also opens the door for IHVs to improve upscaling quality of older games that are no longer being updated by the developer.
DegustatoR
Legend
Newer versions of DLSS don't necessarily improve upscaling quality in older games, and they also provide several options for a game to choose from. XeSS is similar I guess. All of this would lost with driver side implementation?
The way it is done now is IMO more convenient for the user than shipping just one version for all games with the driver.
And I honestly don't care about developers who can't manage to add an SDK of 5 DLLs to their projects.
It doesn’t have to be just one version in the driver. Drivers already ship tons of custom application profiles.
We’ve covered all of this before. The pros of a common SDK + driver side implementations far outweigh the cons.
Well that just means you don’t have a full appreciation of what it takes to develop and ship software. /shrug
DegustatoR
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But if that would be the case then the idea of the driver providing improvements with updates goes out the window.
I don't see any "pros" still.
No, it just means that the user side of this is way more important to me than the developers who can't find a week of time to integrate these SDKs.
DegustatoR
Legend
Also of note in this discussion:
AMD marks the ability to integrate FSR 3.1 via an API which "unlocks" "upgradability" via DLLs as a benefit of the FSR 3.1.
If DirectSR will prevent this from being possible then it goes against this slide as well.
AMD marks the ability to integrate FSR 3.1 via an API which "unlocks" "upgradability" via DLLs as a benefit of the FSR 3.1.
If DirectSR will prevent this from being possible then it goes against this slide as well.
so if I understand that correctly, you can decouple FSR 3 Frame Generation from FSR and use DLSS + FG on RTX 2000 and RTX 3000 cards and XeSS + FG on Intel and whatever GPUs? That's excellent news if trueAlso of note in this discussion:
AMD marks the ability to integrate FSR 3.1 via an API which "unlocks" "upgradability" via DLLs as a benefit of the FSR 3.1.
If DirectSR will prevent this from being possible then it goes against this slide as well.
DegustatoR
Legend
Yep. Tying FSR FG to FSR SR was one of the weird things of FSR3.
XeSS 1.3 out
More details, less ghosting, better temporal stability, new presets (and new scaling factors for old ones too, apparently with the idea that new and old offer similar quality with new performing better)
More details, less ghosting, better temporal stability, new presets (and new scaling factors for old ones too, apparently with the idea that new and old offer similar quality with new performing better)
| Preset | Resolution scaling in previous XeSS versions | Resolution scaling in XeSS 1.3 |
|---|---|---|
| Native Anti-Aliasing | N/A | 1.0x (Native resolution) |
| Ultra Quality Plus | N/A | 1.3x |
| Ultra Quality | 1.3x | 1.5x |
| Quality | 1.5x | 1.7x |
| Balanced | 1.7x | 2.0x |
| Performance | 2.0x | 2.3x |
| Ultra Performance | N/A | 3.0x |
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Would like to try XeSS 1.3 on my old 1070MQ laptop; I was pretty happy with XeSS 1.2 in Cyberpunk on that rig. I guess I shouldn't hold my breath for the patch tho :/
DavidGraham
Veteran
It just means they rearranged their scaling factors.
Old XeSS 1.2 Performance had scaling of 2x, meaning 1080p to 2160p, but the new XeSS 1.3 Performance goes to 2.3x, meaning ~900p to 2160p, which will deliver slightly faster performance as it renders lower resolution, which they show in their marketing slide.
The old Quality preset is 1.5x scaling, meaning 1440p to 2160p, the equivalent to that in the new preset is Ultra Quality, both deliver similar performance in Intel's testing (~50fps).
Yeah, more important than the scaling factors is whether the image quality holds up with the "extra upscaling." Hence why I'd like to give it a shot 
Yes, but with the improved quality of 1.3 at least I got the impression old and new preset x offer similar quality with new one being faster due lower rendering resolution.It just means they rearranged their scaling factors.
Old XeSS 1.2 Performance had scaling of 2x, meaning 1080p to 2160p, but the new XeSS 1.3 Performance goes to 2.3x, meaning ~900p to 2160p, which will deliver slightly faster performance as it renders lower resolution, which they show in their marketing slide.
The old Quality preset is 1.5x scaling, meaning 1440p to 2160p, the equivalent to that in the new preset is Ultra Quality, both deliver similar performance in Intel's testing (~50fps).
Not random shuffling.
I’ve worked on many FSR (2+3) integrations at this point, and properly integrating it (or XeSS or DLSS for that matter) takes a bit longer than that. Initial integration to get up and running can be quick, depending on engine architecture, but the polish to get to shipping quality can be time consuming.
DirectSR isn’t a panacea, but it can be a time and complexity and maintenance saving for developers that have other priorities. That’s who it’s aimed at primarily, and widening upscaling tech adoption in general is a good idea.
https://wccftech.com/intel-xess-1-3-shines-against-fsr-matches-dlss-in-horizon-forbidden-west/
Intel XeSS 1.3 Shines Against FSR & Matches DLSS In Horizon Forbidden West, Better Motion Clarity & Less Ghosting
The framerate at which interpolation is being used is rarely enough for VR without an extra frame of latency, with the extra frame it's a lost cause.
You can decouple view movement from the main framerate (with a bit of bodging for the stereo) but any interaction other than view movement will still have the latency.
A drop in TAA replacement is too brain dead, renderers have to get a lot smarter for good sample reuse for VR.
You can decouple view movement from the main framerate (with a bit of bodging for the stereo) but any interaction other than view movement will still have the latency.
A drop in TAA replacement is too brain dead, renderers have to get a lot smarter for good sample reuse for VR.
