Inquirer: Ps3 hardware far from done.

[Ben-Nice]

Edit: quote included by accident...

People speak like sony has never handled a console launch before. It's really starting to get ridiculous. The fact is this: specs have been set in stone (with some non-critical exceptions here and there) for some time now and you'd be kidding yourself if you didn't believe that. Sony has most definitely dedicated most, if not nearly all, of its resources on making sure the PlayStation brand continues to be a success...much like MS has with the XBOX brand. That being said...the technology in these boxes are cutting edge, but are still within limits of reason. The architecture has taken nearly 5 years to develop...this is not an overnight venture here (no matter what you people may think). Come sometime in late spring, there will be a sony box in Japanese people's living rooms.

I agree, here was the PS2 launch. Look familiar? It should. If history is any indicator they are right on schedule maybe a little off this round but think about it.

November 27th: 1998 - Sega RELEASED the Dreamcast in Japan at 260$. People thought the graphics were awe-inspiring.

Sony doesn't even unveil their next system until March 2nd: 1999. During the initial unveiling, no games were shown, no tech details, Ken talks about the Emotion Engine.

Sony finally formally unveils the PS2 all the way on May 11th, 1999, a full 3 months after the initial announcement of the system. But still, no games are shown, nothing but a few technical details on the system itself.

September 9th, 1999. Sega releases the Dreamcast here in the United States. System sells out, flies off shelves, gamers are amazed at Soul Calibur.

February 18th, 2000, Sony for the first time shows off playable PS2 games to the public during the Playstation Festival. Nearly a full year after the systems unveiling. Dreamcast still selling strong in the US, falls flat in Japan.

Playstation 2 goes on sale in Japan on March 4th, 2000. Not even a month after the initial playable demos of games were showcased. Even without any first party titles or big name titles, THOUSANDS of people line up to take home the console. Stores are sold out before they officially open and a little less then a million consoles sell. Sony later announces a 980,000 unit mark and 500,000 of those being sold through Playstation Online.

May 10th, 2000. Sony announces plans to ship the PS2 to the US in October.

September 20th, 2000 Sony announces difficulty of manufactoring PS2's for the US due to a new graphic synthesizer design that failed.

October 26th, the Playstation 2 is released in the US selling 500,000 consoles at launch with 100,000 consoles per week hitting stores after that, always selling out. PS2's remained sold out until March 21st, 2001 despite the 100,000 a week shipments

 

[London Geezer]

February 18th, 2000, Sony for the first time shows off playable PS2 games to the public during the Playstation Festival. Nearly a full year after the systems unveiling. Dreamcast still selling strong in the US, falls flat in Japan.

Playstation 2 goes on sale in Japan on March 4th, 2000. Not even a month after the initial playable demos of games were showcased.

Oh... Meaning Ps3 could still come out relatively soon, looking at history...

 

[Shifty Geezer]

I agree, here was the PS2 launch. Look familiar? It should. If history is any indicator they are right on schedule maybe a little off this round but think about it.

Thanks for that coverage. I've never seen a summary of PS2's announcement, showcases and launch. The first hardware I've followed the launches of are DS and PSP. So it's nice to see things aren't any different for PS3 from PS2 so far.

 

[Ben-Nice]

Thanks for that coverage. I've never seen a summary of PS2's announcement, showcases and launch. The first hardware I've followed the launches of are DS and PSP. So it's nice to see things aren't any different for PS3 from PS2 so far.

I just think it won't be a month after the Playstation conference which is Feb 12. More like 2-3 months. Either way I still fully expect late 2006 US launch which is what I have thought all along.

 

[mckmas8808]

Yeah thanks for the histroy Ben-Nice. I can keep this for future references.

 

[BlueTsunami]

Well, it seems like the software is there (worthless if the hardware is "far from done" though)

Seriously. Those antics worked fine back in May 2005, but In middle of january with only 2~4 months until launch, we need footage of people playing real games (especially if what that Sony rep told me about some 1st party games being ready for review process as early as Febuary).

Source: http://www.ga-forum.com/showpost.php?p=2575339&postcount=232

I think Shog posts here to (*waves* I hope you don't mind if I quote you ). Take that as you will but it would seem that they are on schedule in some ways and they are almost (if not completley) following the same schedule they did with the PS2.

With that said, it seems as though February is when the PS3 will finally be fully showcased.

 

[rabidrabbit]

heh, maybe they decide to release the PS3 without any launch games, people would have to use it for BR/DVD movies, amybe some downloadable content (music, trailers..) and (enhanced?) PS2 games for a couple of months.
I wouldn't mind even if that happens, I'd still find much use for PS3 to use as a DNLA server with PSP. I would still likely buy it at launch, I'm that much f*nboy

 

[overclocked]

How could *some* of you possible now how fast a chip is by looking at numbers while you
1. Not are coders,devs whatever
2.Only seen numbers in articles
3. -ii- read PR statements
4. etz etz etz...
Even those that code for it now has said they dont know. So relax for gods sake.

 

[centerofadmiration]

Lets see what facts we know.

1.) RSX is completed, in final development kits
2.) Cell has been done for ages
3.) Blu-Ray is completed, discs go into mass production in February

All the main, big parts of the PS3 are done and done.

This just in

Inquirer says, " My husband killed Kennedy, hiding out on the Moon ".

 

[Kryton]

Lets see what facts we know.

1.) RSX is completed, in final development kits
2.) Cell has been done for ages
3.) Blu-Ray is completed, discs go into mass production in February

All the main, big parts of the PS3 are done and done.

This just in

Inquirer says, " My husband killed Kennedy, hiding out on the Moon ".

That is the one bit we don't know! Final dev. kits are most likely shipped considering Mercury have Cell blades that work and are being hauled abou for demos but no one knows about the state of RSX. We're just assuming it is done because if it isn't there will be problems.

 

[Joe DeFuria]

That is the one bit we don't know! Final dev. kits are most likely shipped considering Mercury have Cell blades that work and are being hauled abou for demos but no one knows about the state of RSX. We're just assuming it is done because if it isn't there will be problems.

I am personally assuming that RSX has taped out...but that working silicon (at least in beta state) is not yet working.

 

[overclocked]

Lets see what facts we know.

1.) RSX is completed, in final development kits
2.) Cell has been done for ages
3.) Blu-Ray is completed, discs go into mass production in February

All the main, big parts of the PS3 are done and done.

This just in

Inquirer says, " My husband killed Kennedy, hiding out on the Moon ".

Its not a talk vs console X or P but im just saying that many people on the boards draws a conclution from the points i picked up.

I would say the REAL fact is that many are so biased that they do NOT see that in reality there are no facts. And for the record my post was just trying to calm down the thread but my experience should have stopped me..

 

[borntosoul]

i have 2 things to say,
1) one is i dont believe what nvidia and sony say, they're not going to openly admit that "oups we got the rsx from nvidia because we couldnt get our own graphics working the way we wanted to, so it was a last minute decision". -- if that were true! i dont belive it is but you never know and theyre not gonna tell us.

and 2) it dont look to good for PS3 -- id be suprised to see the ps3 in the US before october. id say more likely say just before christmas.

 

[ROG27]

Its not a talk vs console X or P but im just saying that many people on the boards draws a conclution from the points i picked up.

I would say the REAL fact is that many are so biased that they do NOT see that in reality there are no facts. And for the record my post was just trying to calm down the thread but my experience should have stopped me..

What I'm confused about is why RSX is taking so long if it indeed is not "working" yet, as many are inferring. It is a graphics chip based off of an established technology...not a miracle cure to the HIV virus or a panacea for world peace like many are alluding to. Even if the talks started late with NVidia to include the RSX in PS3 (over a year ago)..why would it not take as long as every other iteration of GPU to perfect that NVidia has done?

 

[London Geezer]

What I'm confused about is why RSX is taking so long if it indeed is not "working" yet, as many are inferring. It is a graphics chip based off of an established technology...not a miracle cure to the HIV virus or a panacea for world peace like many are alluding to. Even if the talks started late with NVidia to include the RSX in PS3 (over a year ago)..why would it not take as long as every other iteration of GPU to perfect that NVidia has done?

Well we have two options:

1) RSX is "just a G70 but with a FLEXIO interface and some other things changed", and something is gone horribly wrong down the line.
2) RSX is not "just a G70 but with a FLEXIO interface and some other things changed" but something much different, and everything's going to plan.

And then you have the worst case scenario, which would be RSX is not "just a G70 but with a FLEXIO interface and some other things changed" but something much different, and something is gone horribly wrong and is delaying the whole thing.

Then you have coffee breaks.

 

[ROG27]

Well we have two options:

1) RSX is "just a G70 but with a FLEXIO interface and some other things changed", and something is gone horribly wrong down the line.
2) RSX is not "just a G70 but with a FLEXIO interface and some other things changed" but something much different, and everything's going to plan.

And then you have the worst case scenario, which would be RSX is not "just a G70 but with a FLEXIO interface and some other things changed" but something much different, and something is gone horribly wrong and is delaying the whole thing.

Then you have coffee breaks.

What's the deal with the DevStation Conference....it seems odd that there's a segment with Jason Page talking about how to utilize RSX for audio...

What the hell is that suppposed to mean?

 

[Jawed]

NVidia and Sony are implementing RSX on Sony's 90nm process.

NVidia has never done this before.

Sony has never buit such a huge chip on 90nm before, either.

Jawed