Inquirer: Ps3 hardware far from done.

[barnak]

Article from Theinquirer. Take it as you like


http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=28879

The problem is that people working on PS3s tell me that it is far from done. Several companies are hip deep in hardware debugging as you read this. Not that it is hugely surprising, after all, it isn't out yet, but one would expect that the hardware is nearly finalized and the bulk of the work is on the games right now. Nope. Both are far from done. The evidence was quite clear at the keynote, there wasn't even a live demo of the box, something that Sony would kill to show right now to cut MS off at the knees. Instead they had pre-rendered video, oh yay, that is going to strike fear in the hearts of Redmond dwellers.

There goes hopes for a spring launch?

 

[Hardknock]

We've had article after article stating this, yet people still want to clinge to a Spring launch.

While I personally have my doubts, The Inq certainly doesn't add any credibility to these claims. We'll hopefully see playable games in Feb... If not...

 

[Carl B]

Well, I don't trust the Inquirer. At best this thread can be a rehash of the debate that took place with regard to whether or not we should have been dissapointed that PS3 was not on display at CES. IMO we were never told to expect anything, so what are we justifying our dissapointment with?

PS3 would have been drowned out, or done the drowning out itself there. I feel the Inq needs an 360 or PS3 article once every other day now for their cheap hits quota.

I certainly *do not* agree that Sony would kill to show something right now, even if they are behind in development. If by Feb nothing, well, then we can discuss.

 

[ROG27]

Article from Theinquirer. Take it as you like


http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=28879




There goes hopes for a spring launch?

Look at your source...

 

[BlueTsunami]

Seeing how Inquirer likes to pull rumors from gaming forums it seems to be a rehash of info from the SOE artist.

 

[barnak]

Look at your source...

Yea I know, not the most credible

 

[3roxor]

We'll see next month. February is gonna be a crucial month for the PS3.

 

[Kryton]

We'll see next month. February is gonna be a crucial month for the PS3.

Just to further tarnish the reputation of The Inq., it's 'partner in crime' The Reg. has countered the statement by saying Mercury have this huge demo-box ready. So, focusing on the comments, on silicon issues (which seem to be made by someone who wouldn't know but bare with this), one says "lots of issues all over", the other says "Cell works fine". The only thing missing between the two is, not the Cell, not the RAM but, RSX! Now, I don't believe this for a second but, that could either mean an entirely custom-built solution rather than the G70 based one or (more likely), just that you should never trust The Inq. with its tangential remarks!

 

[3roxor]

Yeah..but you gotta admit that after some 15 articles they where pretty close on the R520 specs

 

[Kryton]

Yeah..but you gotta admit that after some 15 articles they where pretty close on the R520 specs

Hard not to be when you try every possible reasonable combination of variables. Did they say 'we had it right all along' and cite the article, neglecting to mention their other failed attempts?

 

[expletive]

Just to further tarnish the reputation of The Inq., it's 'partner in crime' The Reg. has countered the statement by saying Mercury have this huge demo-box ready. So, focusing on the comments, on silicon issues (which seem to be made by someone who wouldn't know but bare with this), one says "lots of issues all over", the other says "Cell works fine". The only thing missing between the two is, not the Cell, not the RAM but, RSX! Now, I don't believe this for a second but, that could either mean an entirely custom-built solution rather than the G70 based one or (more likely), just that you should never trust The Inq. with its tangential remarks!

The cell up and running in an entirely different system doesnt really debunk this particular story. IIRC, a lower clocked cell has been in even the earliest dev boxes, so it was never the issue. Theres lots more 'chips' in the PS3 than just a cell that could be giving problems at this point.

 

[Alpha_Spartan]

We've had article after article stating this, yet people still want to clinge to a Spring launch.

While I personally have my doubts, The Inq certainly doesn't add any credibility to these claims. We'll hopefully see playable games in Feb... If not...

That puts Sony in quite a dillemma. They unknowingly fucked themselves at E3. Next month, people are going to expect E3 2005 quality PLAYABLE launch games. However, scuttlebutt has it that the playable stuff they have is no better than current gen quality. They either show these games or nothing at all. Either way it's going to be underwhelming.

 

[RavenFox]

That puts Sony in quite a dillemma. They unknowingly fucked themselves at E3. Next month, people are going to expect E3 2005 quality PLAYABLE launch games. However, scuttlebutt has it that the playable stuff they have is no better than current gen quality. They either show these games or nothing at all. Either way it's going to be underwhelming.

So who is this scuttlebut that says the stuff is underwhelming?

 

[leechan25]

I want PS3

When Sony is ready to ship it. Developers needs time for content, Sony needs time for properly manufacturing the console. I don't want a half baked product that lower the qaulity of a console i'm gonna pay $400 for.

 

[Alpha_Spartan]

Just to further tarnish the reputation of The Inq., it's 'partner in crime' The Reg. has countered the statement by saying Mercury have this huge demo-box ready. So, focusing on the comments, on silicon issues (which seem to be made by someone who wouldn't know but bare with this), one says "lots of issues all over", the other says "Cell works fine". The only thing missing between the two is, not the Cell, not the RAM but, RSX! Now, I don't believe this for a second but, that could either mean an entirely custom-built solution rather than the G70 based one or (more likely), just that you should never trust The Inq. with its tangential remarks!

Dude, this isn't about CELL, but the PS3 as a whole. The CELL was done a while ago and everyone knows this. The PS3 however...

 

[Joe DeFuria]

Now, I don't believe this for a second but, that could either mean an entirely custom-built solution rather than the G70 based one or (more likely), just that you should never trust The Inq. with its tangential remarks!

Or, RSX is G70 based but it's simply not done and in production yet.

 

[dnavas]

Theres lots more 'chips' in the PS3 than just a cell that could be giving problems at this point.

Wasn't it someone 'local' who was asking whether another 'local' had benchmarked the <<part with the large, noisy fan>> (or some words such as those)? I can't find the post now, but I could have sworn I read that here. Presumably the biggest problem at the moment would be heat management in smaller cases. If this part is the RSX (what else would it be?), it lends credence to the notion that it is more than a 90nm G7x derivative -- particularly if current G7x 90nm parts are pushing 700Mhz. [On the otherhand, the older units may well have an overclocked G70 -- a 550Mhz G70 would seem to require a largish fan :>, and the 90nm G71 doesn't appear to be 'right around the corner' as it were. On the gripping hand, why bother asking about benchmarking a part whose performance could largely be surmised from existing benchies?]

-Dave

 

[expletive]

Wasn't it someone 'local' who was asking whether another 'local' had benchmarked the <<part with the large, noisy fan>> (or some words such as those)? I can't find the post now, but I could have sworn I read that here. Presumably the biggest problem at the moment would be heat management in smaller cases. If this part is the RSX (what else would it be?), it lends credence to the notion that it is more than a 90nm G7x derivative -- particularly if current G7x 90nm parts are pushing 700Mhz. [On the otherhand, the older units may well have an overclocked G70 -- a 550Mhz G70 would seem to require a largish fan :>, and the 90nm G71 doesn't appear to be 'right around the corner' as it were. On the gripping hand, why bother asking about benchmarking a part whose performance could largely be surmised from existing benchies?]

-Dave

Just becuase RSX is largely based on G70(?) doesnt mean that in the PS3 it will perform identically to a 7800gtx over PCIe. Depending on what modifications were made to it, it could do some things better/worse than the PC counterpart and when youre working in a closed box system i think you really need to understand where your stregths and weaknesses are.

 

[MechanizedDeath]

Wasn't it someone 'local' who was asking whether another 'local' had benchmarked the <<part with the large, noisy fan>> (or some words such as those)? I can't find the post now, but I could have sworn I read that here. Presumably the biggest problem at the moment would be heat management in smaller cases. If this part is the RSX (what else would it be?), it lends credence to the notion that it is more than a 90nm G7x derivative -- particularly if current G7x 90nm parts are pushing 700Mhz. [On the otherhand, the older units may well have an overclocked G70 -- a 550Mhz G70 would seem to require a largish fan :>, and the 90nm G71 doesn't appear to be 'right around the corner' as it were. On the gripping hand, why bother asking about benchmarking a part whose performance could largely be surmised from existing benchies?]

-Dave

Good book, huh? You're the only other person I've heard use that phrase. PEACE.

 

[ROG27]

Edit: quote included by accident...

People speak like sony has never handled a console launch before. It's really starting to get ridiculous. The fact is this: specs have been set in stone (with some non-critical exceptions here and there) for some time now and you'd be kidding yourself if you didn't believe that. Sony has most definitely dedicated most, if not nearly all, of its resources on making sure the PlayStation brand continues to be a success...much like MS has with the XBOX brand. That being said...the technology in these boxes are cutting edge, but are still within limits of reason. The architecture has taken nearly 5 years to develop...this is not an overnight venture here (no matter what you people may think). Come sometime in late spring, there will be a sony box in Japanese people's living rooms.