Inq: Nintendo faked Wii demonstration - claim

[Guden Oden]

Inq. should stop dramatizing events just to pull heads.

Inq is the equivalent of UK trash tabloid press moved onto teh intarwebs. They will never stop lying and bullshitting and exaggerating, because all that crap is their lifeblood.

JUST DONT GO THERE ALRIGHT?

As long as you people get curious and go clickieclick on their links they will be able to continue to lie and bullshit and exaggerate. Boycott them, it's the only way to get rid of that trash, some day. Hopefully.

 

[speng]

Confirmed by Nintendo:

http://biz.gamedaily.com/industry/feature/?id=12739&rp=49

Nintendo Confirms GameCube Housing for Wii at E3


Speng.

 

[Fox5]

So you mean to tell me that all the playable games at E3 were running off gamecubes too? Mario Galaxy is far beyond anything the GameCube could do. This doesn't sound right to me...

If it's a dev kit that was used, then it could have been an overclocked gamecube with more ram.

I wouldn't expect the final Wii hardware to be much more powerful, however, it could perhaps add in additional features or free antialiasing, the kind of stuff that is either very easily implementable right before launch, or is so complex that it wouldn't have been in launch software anyway.

O.K. I eat my words: There's indeed a box with two gamecubes in the video. Wether or not they're used for the presentation, I cannot tell.

Perhaps...SLI gamecubes! Hooked together using a gigabit ethernet lan adapter, each one rendering half the image!

hupfinsgack said he saw two GCs == SLI'd!

Damn, beat me too it! Another possibility is that since the Wiimote is wireless, rather than running a video splitter, they had two gamecubes hooked up to two different screens, but with one controller. Maybe they could have each been handling different parts of the orchestra.

 

[ninzel]

Well considering specs aren't the focus of the Wii instead the controller I don't se the big deal. In anythig it's good news that final games may look even better.

 

[StefanS]

Perhaps...SLI gamecubes! Hooked together using a gigabit ethernet lan adapter, each one rendering half the image!

Damn, beat me too it! Another possibility is that since the Wiimote is wireless, rather than running a video splitter, they had two gamecubes hooked up to two different screens, but with one controller. Maybe they could have each been handling different parts of the orchestra.

If you look closely at the picture, each of the GCN has a Wavebird wireless adapter installed. It's really strange.

 

[Fox5]

If you look closely at the picture, each of the GCN has a Wavebird wireless adapter installed. It's really strange.

That seems strange, I thought nintendo determined that the gamecube's controller ports had latency too high for the controller to work properly. Of course, modified hardware may not have that limitation.

 

[pc999]

Confirmed by Nintendo:

http://biz.gamedaily.com/industry/fe...id=12739&rp=49

Nintendo Confirms GameCube Housing for Wii at E3

I will miss their PR, so much talk and nothing said .

OT:

If it's a dev kit that was used, then it could have been an overclocked gamecube with more ram.

I wouldn't expect the final Wii hardware to be much more powerful, however, it could perhaps add in additional features or free antialiasing, the kind of stuff that is either very easily implementable right before launch, or is so complex that it wouldn't have been in launch software anyway.

Why? Much can be added by cheap using special HW (eg physics from the other thread). Anyway none game even reach the best of GC or is near from the overall best of XB, and it should surpass it as the worst we heard about Wii is a "souped up XB".

 

[Cryect]

The multiple GCN's is easy to explain.

You need multiple consoles if you don't want to have people watching you swap games and getting to the right spots.

 

[deathstar121]

Go to the Inquirer you will see that i just bought Nintendo.

 

[aldo]

Confirmed by Nintendo:

http://biz.gamedaily.com/industry/feature/?id=12739&rp=49

Nintendo Confirms GameCube Housing for Wii at E3

Meh, no surprises here. The Wii was housed in 4 Gamecube cases prior to E3.
Here's the slide from last years presentation displaying the Wii dev kits and their scheduled release:

-aldo

Edit: Of course I Photoshopped this. With the "Wii" in the image I'm sure most would realize this, but I just wanted to add this note before The Inquirer ran a story on it.

 

[Rodéric]

A couple of things I'd like to make clear/add, after having thought longer than the time it took me to hit the reply button last time ^^.

When I say to never trust the Inq., I mean it.
It doesn't mean that everything the Inq. says is bullshit, but rather than if there's something they say you're interested in it's time for you to start your own inquiry and find reliable sources to confirm/deny the rumors you read.
Really the Inq. should be called "The RumorMill".

About the Wii not being @E3, this leads me to a question:
-If Matt is correct (which I never thought), why wouldn't Nintendo already have Wii production hardware ready ?
(The launch is supposed to be October and this year worldwide, to avoid missing sells opportunity you'd better have as many consoles as possible available prior to release.)

To me it hints that the Wii is as much a souped up NGC as the XBox360.

 

[DuckThor Evil]

To me it hints that the Wii is as much a souped up NGC as the XBox360.

I agree that there are some unknows regarding Wii, but the comparisons to X360 are getting bit old and meaningless, I think we have pretty good knowledge what Wii is and what is it cabable of, and all evidence points out that it's not as souped up NGC as X360.

 

[pc999]

About the Wii not being @E3, this leads me to a question:
-If Matt is correct (which I never thought), why wouldn't Nintendo already have Wii production hardware ready ?
(The launch is supposed to be October and this year worldwide, to avoid missing sells opportunity you'd better have as many consoles as possible available prior to release.)

Or even final HW, that is quite a good point

To me it hints that the Wii is as much a souped up NGC as the XBox360.

Personally I am starting to doubt about that as one or two devs said that it would be more like current gen plus and something more and they had separate that from HD ( IIRC on from EA said that). Anyway what really this means if you pick in UE2X games and UE3 you saw that the diference isnt that big or even in SC4 for next gen (considered a great looking game) and current gen the diference isnt big too and what would be extention of diference if we put UT07 games at low qualitity. Or what if it ends with Rebirth gfx , in gameplay, that should be quite impressive.

Plus what if it is 10x the GC making it as powerfull is some areas (eg integrer/branching) and/but much less in floating point (20Gflops vs 70Gflops) and or vertex shading like ops?

Anyway I hink that , no mater what numbers will tell (would one count fixed function things eg for the physics), they will suprisse us.

 

[Shifty Geezer]

If Wii is vastly more powerful than GC, the graphics shown at E3 weren't targetting the hardware. That either means

1) Developers have been developing assets for GC level, but will redesign everything for the superior Wii hardware, with greater poly counts, normal maps etc.

2) WYSIWYG - The graphics at E3 are those produced by the target performance for Wii. If not the actual graphics hardware, certainly not a whole generation behind in performance.

I can't see there being any huge improvements in graphical performance over what was shown at E3. The final part may add lots of AA, which would be really good, and maybe some more features. But it's not going to be anything like XB360-level performance when the graphics currently developed are much nearer GC-level. There's plenty of reason to believe this, from dev comments to the idea games will be cheaper to develop (smaller, simpler, less content) to spurious comments from Nintendo (LOZ:TP is 'already next-gen graphics'*). Maybe Wii will get an update with normal maps, some beefy shader potential and AA, but the general level is IMO likely to be what has been demo'd.

* I don't think the Revolution's [graphics] will be inferior in any fashion to Xbox 360 or PS3. Even if you look at Zelda on GameCube, I don't think that looks inferior to what the competition is touting as 'next generation' visuals"
http://gc.advancedmn.com/article.php?artid=5439&pg=1&comments=full

 

[DeanoC]

The multiple GCN's is easy to explain.

You need multiple consoles if you don't want to have people watching you swap games and getting to the right spots.

Its even simplier than that... reduncency for failure... you don't want you multi-million dollar press even going tits up because of machine failure do you?
I (and everybody else) at the PS3 press thing-me-bob had two dev-kits running, one just in case of hardware (or software) failure.

 

[Rodéric]

I agree that there are some unknows regarding Wii, but the comparisons to X360 are getting bit old and meaningless, I think we have pretty good knowledge what Wii is and what is it cabable of, and all evidence points out that it's not as souped up NGC as X360.

I was kinda playing with words here ^^

The X360 can be seen as a souped up NGC since it has the same basic architecture (PowerPC based CPU, embedded framebuffer memory for GPU...) yet it is much different power wise.
And the Wii will be similar. (Same basic architecture, but not an overclocked NGC.)
Didn't imply it would be similar to the XBox360 power wise ^^

 

[pc999]

Personally I think that the jump from Mario or MP2 to MG and MP3 is as big as Madden GC to Madden Wii.

The Wiire: A common criticism we've heard at the show today is that the graphics seem unfinished. How far are we in that regard?

Dickenson: Well as far as what we're showing in Madden today, we're focusing on the controls right now. But the thing I can say is that we have a laundry list of things that we haven't even started to do in terms of improving the graphics. We started the first day running at sixty frames per second in debug mode - so we have a lot of room to grow in terms of improving our graphics. As you know with the messaging from Nintendo, this machine isn't focused on pushing the most polys or having the highest texture density, but we do know very clearly from what we're showing here that we're going to be able to make some very noticeable improvements - and we are even right now running at 480p widescreen which we didn't even know two weeks ago that we were going to be doing and we were able to pull it off without it even having an effect on our framerate.

A nice read.
It seems that Nintendo isnt very good giving details about the HW.

 

[Fox5]

Personally I think that the jump from Mario or MP2 to MG and MP3 is as big as Madden GC to Madden Wii.

http://www.thewiire.com/news/327/1/EXCLUSIVE_The_Wiire_Talks_with_Madden_Wii_Senior_Producer

A nice read.
It seems that Nintendo isnt very good giving details about the HW.

No pictures of the game? Anyhow, the Wii is likely very efficient hardware, which means its low specs are a bit misleading, but so were gamecube's. If gamecube had been a typical pc architecture, it's specs imply it would have looked pretty much like dreamcast, rather than 3x to 4x as powerful. (so if its specs were about 3x to 4x dreamcast, and it looked about 3x to 4x as good as dreamcast, does that mean it was about as efficient as dreamcast?)

 

[Nesh]

Inq is the equivalent of UK trash tabloid press moved onto teh intarwebs. They will never stop lying and bullshitting and exaggerating, because all that crap is their lifeblood.

JUST DONT GO THERE ALRIGHT?

As long as you people get curious and go clickieclick on their links they will be able to continue to lie and bullshit and exaggerate. Boycott them, it's the only way to get rid of that trash, some day. Hopefully.

personally I never visit Inq.

 

[mckmas8808]

Seriously why are people here expecting to see some big difference in graphics with the real Wii? The system will have horrible graphics (art aside) compared to its competition. Nintendo isn't focusing on power, but controls.

We all should know that by now.