Immersion Polls Gamers On PS3 Rumble

[expletive]

...except their future with Sony.

So your point is that the lawsuit by Immersion against Sony didnt destroy the relationship, but putting this poll on the internet did?

Technology alone does not make deal happen. Some technology brings more values to the table than others. For every cent saved on rumble, Sony can invest it elsewhere.

To give Sony credits, they should already know the impact of dropping rumble *before* announcing it. The poll won't change the business dynamics except to create rift.

Are you sure you're responding to my quote? I think we're debating 2 different points.

Reading the patent for myself, I find it shocking that you could seek to patent such a device or method. It is very vague.

The US patent system is horribly broken, this is just another example.

 

[Powderkeg]

Immersion only now says they can make the rumble work with gyro controller, so why people keep on saying sony is not telling the truth when they say the rumble was removed because it interferes with the motion sensing.

When Sony decided to go with motion sensing, do you (not anyone specifically) think it was before or after the lawsuit?

What if Sony asked Immersion then if they could make rumble that'd work with motion sensing and gyros, and Immersion had no tech ready at the time, nor were sure if and when they'd be able to get one ready (possibly for PS3 spring 2006 launch).
What would Sony have done, told Immersion "That's ok, get it done when you feel like it. We'll delay the PS3 launc even indefinitely if that's what it takes", or "Ok then, we'll do it without then. Motion sensing is after all bigger thing than some rumble. And because you had the nerve to sue us too we call it quits (see you in court).

Just speculating (and I am a bit sleep deprived so this might come out as plain misinformed and silly )

There was a tilt-sensing controller for the PS1 that did both tilt and rumble.

If they could make it work on the PS1 why can't they do it on the PS3?

 

[Powderkeg]

* Sony execs still have no time for rumble because it's a solved problem in the grand scheme of things (6-degree motion sensor is next-gen. Rumble does not contribute to next-gen game play and appeals only to a small portion of our user base and our partner, Logitech will gladly address their needs). Why should Sony throw more money at something that is not strategic at this point ? Why not spend the money more wisely on Playstation Online ? or more exclusives ?

Why do so many people think Logitech will provide a rumble controller for the PS3, or that the PS3 would support it if they did?

 

[patsu]

So your point is that the lawsuit by Immersion against Sony didnt destroy the relationship, but putting this poll on the internet did?

The lawsuit is a business activity. It can still evolve further over time based on deals on the table. Sony did not want to pay for the licensing fee because:
* It was too high
* Sony did independent work on it
* They did/do not believe Immersion's patent can hold water
Big companies got sued often, the lawyers get involved. That does not mean that the relationships has been destroyed (Nothing personal really).

The perceived intention behind the poll is something that will leave a negative impression/posture over and above the regular lawsuit. I'm just saying it will not help Immersion in its quest for further transactions.

Are you sure you're responding to my quote? I think we're debating 2 different points.

"Well I dont see how the poll can make immersion have any less technology in the PS3 controller."

I mis-read your statement.

As long as developers continue to develope with the "rumble API", the opportunity is still open for a Dual Shock 3 (even beyond launch). In my last post, I'm repeating that the poll does not change the business dynamics, but likely makes it worse.
Why do it at all ? Immersion and the execs are better off without the informal and public poll.

EDIT:

Why do so many people think Logitech will provide a rumble controller for the PS3, or that the PS3 would support it if they did?

Because it is a natural extension of their existing PS2 controller business. The "rumble API" hook is something that is not announced nor confirmed by Sony though.

 

[Powderkeg]

Because it is a natural extension of their existing PS2 controller business. The "rumble API" hook is something that is not announced nor confirmed by Sony though.

Thanks for that answer. So it's just wishful thinking then, eh?

 

[patsu]

You may say so. I'm waiting for it to be disproved. My money is ready too

 

[cthellis42]

Dumb things in this thread topic:

1) Immersion's poll.
2) People thinking the poll is even remotely put together well.
3) Sony's not working out a licensing deal with Immersion to head this crap off.
4) Sony's fighting tooth and nail to not settle without presenting the clear technological grounds.
5) Sony's still not working out a deal, making this all impact the PS3 as well.


Now I'll freely admit I don't know the technological underpinnings of all this, so certainly my numbers could change... But so far I've seen no indication that this is anything but a legal matter, nor that they couldn't have ate their cake and had it too with rumble/motion tech in the PS3 controller for no great whacking sum.

Our patent system is already in pathetic shape, so I really hate seeing litigation unnecessarily stand in the way of innovation. Or even just "fun stuff."

 

[Paul_G]

I just took the poll, and I have to agree Q8. is quite poor, why would the lack of rumble in old games make you more likely to buy a 360 or a Wii? They can't play old playstation games at all.

That said i can't blame them for making the poll, i must be in a very small minority here, and maybe i'm looking at it all wrong, but i believe it was bad_boy who said Sony wouldn't want to do business with them, well from Immersions side it must seem like Sony is dodging the charge they see as legitimate in any way they can. I imagine Immersion isn't particularly keen on working with Sony either.

I don't like humanising companies, but in this case i'm going to make an exception. Immersion probably sees Sony as arrogant, a view not completely unfounded in a lot of peoples eyes. Now that Sony have laid their cards down, no rumble, motion sensing as a replacement of sorts, Immersion may well want to show Sony up. Like expletive said, they've nothing to lose, so they might as well make Sony look a bit out of touch and stupid for making the decision they have, and a poll that essentially says rumble is a big feature would sure do that.

Like i say, maybe that's a bit too human for a couple of companies who's ultimate purpose is to make money, but this has dragged on so long, I'd want to show Sony how silly they've been if I were Immersion.

 

[Squeak]

While companies certainly don't have personalities like humans do, they do have a personality(s). Just like countries or families have overall/general states of mind and ways of doing things.
I don't really get the "all corps. are the same, they're all after money, therefore bias is stupid" people. It just not true.