IGN, letters page, some PS3 and XB2 speculation
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jvd,
So basically, you think that ATI will be better, because they currently hold a speed advantage of what...5% - 10% ?
That wouldn't be close to enough to make up for the supposed difference between xenon/cell processing power. Plus, that doesn't sound like what editor meant. He gives the impression that ATI will be much, much better then nVidia. Given that NO ONE has any idea what nVidia's GPU will be like, I wonder where he got that information from.
So basically, you think that ATI will be better, because they currently hold a speed advantage of what...5% - 10% ?
That wouldn't be close to enough to make up for the supposed difference between xenon/cell processing power. Plus, that doesn't sound like what editor meant. He gives the impression that ATI will be much, much better then nVidia. Given that NO ONE has any idea what nVidia's GPU will be like, I wonder where he got that information from.
london-boy said:There are so many things that are wrong with that thing (it's not an article, it's not a preview, it's a thing), that it makes the whole... thing... look dumb.
Sony didn't copy the analogue stick with "force feedback" (not real, but that's what they call it) from Nintendo, they copied from Immersion.
Mobile phones have been vibrating for years, I dunno why immerson didnt sue Nintendo as well.
The Sony pad is basically a best of Snes pad same shape same button configuration, with Rumble and analog sticks stolen from the N64.
london-boy:
> Sony didn't copy the analogue stick with "force feedback" (not real, but
> that's what they call it) from Nintendo, they copied from
> Immersion.
Actually they got the idea from Nintendo but they infringed on Immersion's patent(s?).
Pugger:
> He's the PS2 editor and obviously tends to be slightly slanted towards
> the PS2 cause as his readers would except.
Well... he used to write for IGNpc and it's pretty clear that he's not much of a console person. He's always been rather annoying.
> Sony didn't copy the analogue stick with "force feedback" (not real, but
> that's what they call it) from Nintendo, they copied from
> Immersion.
Actually they got the idea from Nintendo but they infringed on Immersion's patent(s?).
Pugger:
> He's the PS2 editor and obviously tends to be slightly slanted towards
> the PS2 cause as his readers would except.
Well... he used to write for IGNpc and it's pretty clear that he's not much of a console person. He's always been rather annoying.
ninelven said:
keep reading and you would have read this
with a modified r3x0 core . WHich is over 2 years old now .
What difference ? all we have are zelots wet dreams to go by . neither system is announced , so as of now we don't know what diffrences there will be .
Beats me , i would say almost 2 years . When that came out i was like 14 i guess. But it was a diffrent market then and consider that the banshee was a pos there wasn't much out that could beat a sli voodoo2 . I think the first card actually fast enough to warrent an upgrade was the tnt 2 .
But now with performance trippling every 2 years along with the new features of the cards ever 2 years and i doubt we will see the nv40 sli be what the voodoo2 was to that time period
Actually you could buy the r420s before u could by the nv40s . Not only that but the r420 was faster .
Ati released a more feature rich part in the radeon 8500 pro but everyone considered nvidia and its geforce 4 card to be ahead . Because its performance in actual applications were faster .
Is there seriously 2 pages of comments in reaction, more or less, to an "article" written by the IGN total journalist Ivan Sulic?
For those who never had the (mis)chance to read one example of Ivan Sulic ingeniously and skilfully written articles, then let's say that the words childish, unprofessional and obnoxious are perfectly describing Ivan Sulic work to date.
For those who never had the (mis)chance to read one example of Ivan Sulic ingeniously and skilfully written articles, then let's say that the words childish, unprofessional and obnoxious are perfectly describing Ivan Sulic work to date.
Vysez said:Is there seriously 2 pages of comments in reaction, more or less, to an "article" written by the IGN total journalist Ivan Sulic?
For those who never had the (mis)chance to read one example of Ivan Sulic ingeniously and skilfully written articles, then let's say that the words childish, unprofessional and obnoxious are perfectly describing Ivan Sulic work to date.
Hi Vysez
I would have to agree. I cannot believe Ivan forgot the PS3 was using nVidia's next gen GPU and not the GF6 series. Now, he may know some other stuff to make him optimistic about Xbox, but goffs like that do not help. Some of their editors and staff do come off the way you describe. Obviously IGN has a good relationship with many developers, some pretty good articles and exclusives at times, and some of their editors (like Matt C.) are open, honest, and thoughtful. Others are fanboys with FTP access to their servers
What are the right areas then? Kudos to you for giving him the benefit of the doubt, but I could have phoned in a similarly premature conjecture piece just based on reading this forum over the past couple of days - is that what actually passes for having "lots of developer contacts"?Qroach said:
Of course, it is just a response in their letters section so I'm sure it's not some of his most considered work...
IGN has a lot of developer contacts. If you read who they interview and consider the pretty frequent exclusive previews they get from a host of developers I think it becomes pretty clear they know people "in the know". Having followed their site from its infancy as n64.com to dailyradar.com to the console.ign.com sites I can say with some confidence they have a good pulse on things at times. Their PC section is not the greatest when it comes to HW (they are much more game / mainstream oriented, which is not necessarily bad), but their console departments are pretty good.
That is what makes Ivan's comments so odd. They not only contradict the general consensus, they contradict recent press announcements. You would think Ivan would be a little more up on current events relating to his job :|
But on the subject of contacts, I think history has shown they know have real contacts in the industry. The "Janitor's Closet" stuff was actually pretty juicy stuff back in the day. They are not always right, but more times than not their speculation is based on something someone they trust in the industry (and most likely under NDA) has told them. That has been my observation at least.
That is what makes Ivan's comments so odd. They not only contradict the general consensus, they contradict recent press announcements. You would think Ivan would be a little more up on current events relating to his job :|
But on the subject of contacts, I think history has shown they know have real contacts in the industry. The "Janitor's Closet" stuff was actually pretty juicy stuff back in the day. They are not always right, but more times than not their speculation is based on something someone they trust in the industry (and most likely under NDA) has told them. That has been my observation at least.
IGN haqs been around much longer than Daily Radar was, at least other parts that became IGN.
I have this feeling in my gut and linked to outside sources as well that the GPU in PS3 will be just as good as the one going into Xenon. To think that Nvidia is still asleep in regards to performance and image quality is a joke. They will do everything in their power to not let the same thing happen again. The next gen Nvidia GPU may or may not be coming from an already excellent NV4X series. Nvidia turned themselves around with the NV4X and anyone here who thinks otherwise is crazy.
ATI may have faster cards but that isn't the case in every situation. In terms of the chip itself I give the nod to NV40 because it handles many things very well.
It is true IGN has many contacts within the industry from devs to insiders with the console manufacturers. That doesn't mean what IGN presents resembles the truth in any great fashion. It's just an opinion this person is leading others to believe or has been lead to believe. Just take it with a grain of salt.
I have this feeling in my gut and linked to outside sources as well that the GPU in PS3 will be just as good as the one going into Xenon. To think that Nvidia is still asleep in regards to performance and image quality is a joke. They will do everything in their power to not let the same thing happen again. The next gen Nvidia GPU may or may not be coming from an already excellent NV4X series. Nvidia turned themselves around with the NV4X and anyone here who thinks otherwise is crazy.
ATI may have faster cards but that isn't the case in every situation. In terms of the chip itself I give the nod to NV40 because it handles many things very well.
It is true IGN has many contacts within the industry from devs to insiders with the console manufacturers. That doesn't mean what IGN presents resembles the truth in any great fashion. It's just an opinion this person is leading others to believe or has been lead to believe. Just take it with a grain of salt.
DuckThor Evil
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Pugger said:
Isn't Geforce 6 successor same thing as Geforce Next Gen?
Now, the guy is an idiot, and he said many things that are wrong, but he didn't say PS3 will have a GF6.
Still, the "letter" is crap.
Still, the "letter" is crap.
Shrike_Priest
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It's interesting.
the X800XT beats the 6800U at high resolutions with Anisotropic filtering, by about 15% or so.
The 6800 beats the X800XT at slightly lower resolutions, and high resolutions without AF, by about the same margin.
This is what I gathered from Tomshardware.
Now everyone's acting like Nvidia is "teh doomed" and I just can't get my head around why?
The difference is miniscule, I mean, the difference in graphics power between the GC/Xbox/PS2 is gargantuan in comparison. And look at how "big" an impact that has had. Take Forza and GT4, the difference is pretty much negligible, yet the technology gap is like five times as big as the one that's between ATI and Nvidia right now.
If Sony releases six months after MS, with an Nvidia chip, how the hell are they not going to have graphics that are just as good as the ATI in Xbox next?
Still, I guess there's not really much point in arguing when we're going to see initial specs within a few weeks, and tech demos in March.
the X800XT beats the 6800U at high resolutions with Anisotropic filtering, by about 15% or so.
The 6800 beats the X800XT at slightly lower resolutions, and high resolutions without AF, by about the same margin.
This is what I gathered from Tomshardware.
Now everyone's acting like Nvidia is "teh doomed" and I just can't get my head around why?
The difference is miniscule, I mean, the difference in graphics power between the GC/Xbox/PS2 is gargantuan in comparison. And look at how "big" an impact that has had. Take Forza and GT4, the difference is pretty much negligible, yet the technology gap is like five times as big as the one that's between ATI and Nvidia right now.
If Sony releases six months after MS, with an Nvidia chip, how the hell are they not going to have graphics that are just as good as the ATI in Xbox next?
Still, I guess there's not really much point in arguing when we're going to see initial specs within a few weeks, and tech demos in March.
