IF: Blu Ray wins format war THEN: Sony laughs all the way to the bank?

[blakjedi]

Back on topic....

Porn in High def on HDDVD versus Disney films/Sony Films/PS3.... HDDVD>>>>>>Blu ray. Porn beats movies by a mile.

In the end I predict neither format will win. DVD+R hasnt beaten DVD-R has it? This era will ultimately be the era of the BRD/HDDVD combination drive.


D/L games will more about anti-piracy than distribution. There will probably still be a physical medium (HVD?) that will need to be validated with D/Lable component in the future.

 

[dantruon]

Back on topic....

Porn in High def on HDDVD versus Disney films/Sony Films/PS3.... HDDVD>>>>>>Blu ray. Porn beats movies by a mile.

you got to be joking with that assumption because I dont think there are many people gonna buy it since half of the internet traffic is porn traffic.

 

[Darkon]

you got to be joking with that assumption because I dont think there are many people gonna buy it since half of the internet traffic is porn traffic.

He's also assuming porn isn't on BD which it is and Vivid as far as i know still supports BD

 

[blakjedi]

you got to be joking with that assumption because I dont think there are many people gonna buy it since half of the internet traffic is porn traffic.

Based on AEE and there only being HDDVD porn for sale... I think its both correct and valid and not an assumption.

 

[one]

Based on AEE and there only being HDDVD porn for sale... I think its both correct and valid and not an assumption.

I suspect that "BD rejects pr0n!" is another FUD by HD DVD camp that paid big time for a certain adult video production in the US. Blu-ray porn are already out in Japan. (I don't paste a link here for the TOS! )

 

[blakjedi]

http://www.cepro.com/news/editorial/17379.html

Japanese Blu ray porn?

 

[TheChefO]

Another option that may gain momentum by 2010 would be xb/ps launching with br drives and later release cheaper versions (core) without the optical drive to those not needing physical media. Obviously this route needs to offer an edge over the optical varient and I imagine MS/Sony will offer the same games at a reduced rate.

Then again they may go even more radical and offer a simlar model to cable tv and give the console away for free as long as you sign a two year contract to their "game unlimited" monthly service

 

[Darkon]

I suspect that "BD rejects pr0n!" is another FUD by HD DVD camp that paid big time for a certain adult video production in the US. Blu-ray porn are already out in Japan. (I don't paste a link here for the TOS! )

Well according to Ars

Ars contacted the Blu-ray Disc Association for comment on Joone's allegations. "There is not a prohibition against adult content," said Marty Gordon, vicechair of the BDA US Promotions Committee and vice president of the Philips Electronics Hollywood Office. "The BDA welcomes the participation of all companies interested in using and supporting the format, particularly those from the content industry. We look forward to working with any content providers interested in providing their audience with [the] best possible high definition home entertainment experience."

and Vivid as far as i know still supports BD

 

[archie4oz]

Back on topic....

Porn in High def on HDDVD versus Disney films/Sony Films/PS3.... HDDVD>>>>>>Blu ray. Porn beats movies by a mile.

Why do you say Porn only on HD-DVD? There's already porn on Blu-Ray...

I thought my, "competition", quotes and all would be seen for what I was thinking, guess not. I also make no mention of price at all, only speed, and I concur with your duopoly, but they are competition for each other and again, I am only referring to speed.

Competition has occurred between the two where it can, but it's nothing like it is in other countries which have strong national broadband policies designed to stimulate competition. Cable companies in general up'd speeds instead of lowering costs mainly for customer retention against the lower prices that DSL providers were offering and wooing over cable customers. However cable companies have long had an advantage over DSL providers. Most cable networks in the US are at least DOCSIS 1.1 capable and it permits up to 38mbps downstream and 10mbps upstream bandwidth, so for them it's just a matter of uncorking enough bandwidth to keep customers from going DSL or elsewhere (example in certain markets where the cable company has to compete with say Verizon FiOS, they offer services up to 15mbps, in my area where the best I can get is 6mbps DSL, Comcast (now actually Time Warner Cable offers 7mbps), and in my building isn't even wired for cable so I can't even get that).

I also don't know if I concur with build-out, I was under the impression that the build-outs were essentially planned years ahead and now it is up to the companies to decide how much they want to give us. For the areas with FTTH, from anecdotal experience, they are being throttled to "above Comcast speeds". Only reason I think that is because I thought I had read about some of the build-out/ups in one of my IEEE Spectrums...could be wrong though.

Well in the case of Verizon, I'd say it's mostly a technology issue. FiOS is 622Mbps/155mbps BPON network, but the way to offer TV service (FiOS TV) is switched (like cable) rather than packet based (IPTV) so a good chunk of it is reserved for TV service (even if you don't have it). Still, I wouldn't mind having FiOS myself, but I live in an AT&T service area (2 blocks from a major backbone), so I'll never get FiOS and my chances for IPTV is U-Verse (AT&T) and they only offer 6mbps max to the home, and even though I'm only 1500' from an AT&T mega hub and 3000' from another, the best I can still get is 6mbps DSL.

 

[blakjedi]

AFAIK only Vivid had the size/influence to get a BRD replicator from "bluray" no one else has gotten one. Vivvid may be the largest "provider" but they aret the only so the rest of the industry is "ass out" so to speak...

 

[Mythos]

AFAIK only Vivid had the size/influence to get a BRD replicator from "bluray" no one else has gotten one. Vivvid may be the largest "provider" but they aret the only so the rest of the industry is "ass out" so to speak...

Really dude...towing the HD-DVD FUD wagon...They are a factor not the THE factor for next gen DVD wars. Given Universal silence at CES there maybe other things needing to consider.

 

[blakjedi]

Really dude...towing the HD-DVD FUD wagon...They are a factor not the THE factor for next gen DVD wars. Given Universal silence at CES there maybe other things needing to consider.

I said that myself. but this thread is about if Sony wins the HD format war right? so this "fact" is a factor in "Sony" "winning" the format wars... Right?

 

[Berak]

Bandwidth does not operate on a Moore's like law of yearly improvement, it operates in aggregate jumps over a long time. Infrastructure changes are far slower and bandwidth = infrastructure. Upgrading bandwidth means upgrading the network, the wiring, and that happens far slower. Most people are still getting DSL through copper cable or coax laid down decades ago, it is only clever modulation schemes that have pushed bandwidth up in the countries like the US and those are running out of steam.
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This is about what I was going to post. Some people seem to have a pretty unrealistic view of how bandiwdth will increase to the home. 25X every 6 years ??? Lol. I just got DSL one year ago April, and that was the first it was offered in my area, and the only thing above modem speed. I won't see FIOS or wireless for 20 years at least.

Blu-Ray and HD-DVD will not be obviated by digital distribution to end user homes within 30 years.

 

[doob]

Last Toshiba trumph?!

Apparently Thoshiba has successfully managed to develop a 51GB HD-DVD by re-organizing the 2 current layers giving the possibility of adding a 3rd. Problem is, current HD-DVD players won't be able to read the new 3layer 51GB disc. This is likely to annoy allot of people, how will M$and other companies deal with this? Doesn't seem a firmware update will be able to fix the current limitations.

http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/01/15/tosh_touts_51gb_hddvd/

 

[Rangers]

This is about what I was going to post. Some people seem to have a pretty unrealistic view of how bandiwdth will increase to the home. 25X every 6 years ??? Lol. I just got DSL one year ago April, and that was the first it was offered in my area, and the only thing above modem speed. I won't see FIOS or wireless for 20 years at least.

Blu-Ray and HD-DVD will not be obviated by digital distribution to end user homes within 30 years.

Fios seems a reasonable time frame. It is already rolled out to some many Texas (where I live) suburbs, and it's just one of those thing's that's organically growing.

ATT has something called "fiber to the curb", rolling out also, they run fiber within 300 feet and use copper the last part. It's supposed to have some of the advantages of fiber while bypassing much of the cost. It's not as good as pure fiber, though.

But like I said, I heard something about even Fios, although you get cable TV and everything else like that down the same line, is "only" a 30Mb/s connection, which doesn't sound all that impressive.

 

[-tkf-]

Back on topic....
Porn in High def on HDDVD versus Disney films/Sony Films/PS3.... HDDVD>>>>>>Blu ray. Porn beats movies by a mile.

In the end I predict neither format will win. DVD+R hasnt beaten DVD-R has it? This era will ultimately be the era of the BRD/HDDVD combination drive.

D/L games will more about anti-piracy than distribution. There will probably still be a physical medium (HVD?) that will need to be validated with D/Lable component in the future.

HiDef porn isn´t the difference here.. first of all, HD porn only resolves details you don´t want to see, honestly. And you can easily access all the porn you want on DVD, with DVD you couldn´t play VHS in a DVD player, in other words you are not killing any porn supply by not having HD-DVD porn, wankers will survive!

 

[-tkf-]

Apparently Thoshiba has successfully managed to develop a 51GB HD-DVD by re-organizing the 2 current layers giving the possibility of adding a 3rd. Problem is, current HD-DVD players won't be able to read the new 3layer 51GB disc. This is likely to annoy allot of people, how will M$and other companies deal with this? Doesn't seem a firmware update will be able to fix the current limitations.

http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/01/15/tosh_touts_51gb_hddvd/

So there is a need for 50GB anyway? And this is just as cheap as producing 2 layers + a little more..

While this is nice news for the HD-DVD camp on a pure technical level it´s also more mud to be thrown..

 

[wco81]

HD-DVD is desperately trying to get one of the Blu-Ray studios to flip, either go to their side or release for both formats.

Disney has said in the past that the 50 GB capacity of Blu-Ray is important to them.

So back last May, right around E3 and after negotiations to end the format war ended, Toshiba floated the idea of a triple-layer 45 GB disc. But they didn't get any takers and this triple-layer proposal was never submitted formally to make it a part of the spec. Then Toshiba went ahead and launched with what they had, which was two-layers up to 30 GB.

At CES, there was a lot of hope on the HD-DVD side that the studios might support their format. They claimed sales of discs and hardware had been good while the PS3 sales had been disappointing (although far outstripping the number of HD-DVD hardware).

But again, nothing happened from the studios. So now we hear this new higher-capacity disc thing again but no timetable and no word on whether triple-layer discs would work on existing HD-DVD players.

We'll see if they submit this for inclusion in the spec.

At CES, apparently far more Blu-Ray titles were announced than HD-DVD ones. If they don't get the studios to switch, the triple-layer thing may be moot.

 

[Arwin]

So there is a need for 50GB anyway? And this is just as cheap as producing 2 layers + a little more..

While this is nice news for the HD-DVD camp on a pure technical level it´s also more mud to be thrown..

I seem to remember from a technical article from about a year ago that the HD DVD should be able to do 3 layers eventually, whereas the BluRay disc could potentially do 8 layers or more. This analysis seems to hold, so far, with an 8 layer BluRay prototype also having been created already.

More than 3 layers is going to be difficult, though, as I understood it. It will be interesting to see what will happen. I have a feeling that Blu-Ray got its stuff together just in time to do what people expected it to way back when the whole thing just started.

 

[wco81]

The other part of it is that as you get more capacity per disc, you get more utility for data storage.

However, apparently all the PC HD-DVD drives shipped only write on one layer so the capacity is limited to 15 GB while Blu-Ray drives are supporting dual-layer writes already (remember how long it took for the DVD to get to dual-layer writability?).