How would you react when the PSX3 spec reads 240~480 GFLOPS?
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Panajev2001a
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This thread was started by Deadmeat too, btw.
nondescript
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Maybe part of this thread should be broken out as a new thread, under the title “Do you think this forum too Pro-Sony†or something…
Jvd, a few observations:
While the Sony threads regularly descend into bickering, you hardly see the same with the few Xbox threads there are. My opinion is, if you look carefully at the progression of the threads is the start of the trouble in Sony threads always begins with someone voicing doubt (or predicting outright failure), and the pro-Sony camp rushing in to defend. Look at any generic new PS2 game thread.
In contrast, in the Xbox threads (more specifically, TXB2 on Xbox2) you’ll find the pro-Sony camp entering the thread without it falling into bickering. There’s some argument about UMA and such, but none of the venom that sprouts out of the PS3 threads.
If you agree with this assessment, then my conclusion is that the pro-Sony camp is not really pro-Sony, but more like pro-speculation. Let me explain. I personally am not a big gamer. But I find the game industry to be inherently interesting – one of the few areas of innovative high-performance IC design. As an EE major, I love this stuff. 3D graphics are also one of the last few areas of software innovation that doesn’t require graduate math to understand. Don’t get me wrong, I still play plenty of games, but I can go to Gamespot/IGN for advice on that. Beyond3d is for the silicon behind the games. The reason PS3 dominates the board is because it is inherently interesting, and interesting to speculate on. I am sure there are at least a few other people who feel the same way.
In other words, at least some of the “pro-Sony camp†are not advocating the success of Sony, but the success of interesting technology. Any of the next generation consoles are technically interesting – it just so happens that there is a lot more material and a lot more to speculate on with the PS3. And these pro-speculation people (myself included) would rather see that how new technology could succeed rather than how it could fail. Of course, its not quite that simple, since we each have our biases, but that’s my basic point.
Heck, since I’m giving a sermon, I might say everything on my mind:
Could we not repeat ourselves? Some people evidently think that repeating this same reasoning twice makes it more effective…if it didn’t work the first time, don’t try again. I also don’t understand some people’s deep hatred of Ken Katsuragi, or Bill Gates – to hate someone who doesn’t know you exist, and whom you have no effect over, seems pathetic. As for hating emotionless inanimate consoles … well…*insert emotion engine joke here*
My 2 cents (in US dollars, so it’s devaluing as we speak)
Jvd, a few observations:
While the Sony threads regularly descend into bickering, you hardly see the same with the few Xbox threads there are. My opinion is, if you look carefully at the progression of the threads is the start of the trouble in Sony threads always begins with someone voicing doubt (or predicting outright failure), and the pro-Sony camp rushing in to defend. Look at any generic new PS2 game thread.
In contrast, in the Xbox threads (more specifically, TXB2 on Xbox2) you’ll find the pro-Sony camp entering the thread without it falling into bickering. There’s some argument about UMA and such, but none of the venom that sprouts out of the PS3 threads.
If you agree with this assessment, then my conclusion is that the pro-Sony camp is not really pro-Sony, but more like pro-speculation. Let me explain. I personally am not a big gamer. But I find the game industry to be inherently interesting – one of the few areas of innovative high-performance IC design. As an EE major, I love this stuff. 3D graphics are also one of the last few areas of software innovation that doesn’t require graduate math to understand. Don’t get me wrong, I still play plenty of games, but I can go to Gamespot/IGN for advice on that. Beyond3d is for the silicon behind the games. The reason PS3 dominates the board is because it is inherently interesting, and interesting to speculate on. I am sure there are at least a few other people who feel the same way.
In other words, at least some of the “pro-Sony camp†are not advocating the success of Sony, but the success of interesting technology. Any of the next generation consoles are technically interesting – it just so happens that there is a lot more material and a lot more to speculate on with the PS3. And these pro-speculation people (myself included) would rather see that how new technology could succeed rather than how it could fail. Of course, its not quite that simple, since we each have our biases, but that’s my basic point.
Heck, since I’m giving a sermon, I might say everything on my mind:
Could we not repeat ourselves? Some people evidently think that repeating this same reasoning twice makes it more effective…if it didn’t work the first time, don’t try again. I also don’t understand some people’s deep hatred of Ken Katsuragi, or Bill Gates – to hate someone who doesn’t know you exist, and whom you have no effect over, seems pathetic. As for hating emotionless inanimate consoles … well…*insert emotion engine joke here*
My 2 cents (in US dollars, so it’s devaluing as we speak)
randycat99
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Now that's an astute observation! 
Well worded!
Well worded!nondescript said:
I agree! Some people evidently think that if you repeat the same reasoning twice, it will be more effective.
That should stop!
Not that i want to join in this bickerwhosRIGHTwhosWRONGfest, but,
Sorry, i disagree.
The way you put it, it sounds like non pro Sony members are the *troublemakers* while pro Sonys are the *nice guys*...
There are as many "bad" Sony topics as there are "bad" MS/N topic. The difference being there are more Sony topics than the rest. Why, i do not know. Is PS3 technology *that* interesting(as you put it)?
Sorry, i disagree.
The way you put it, it sounds like non pro Sony members are the *troublemakers* while pro Sonys are the *nice guys*...
There are as many "bad" Sony topics as there are "bad" MS/N topic. The difference being there are more Sony topics than the rest. Why, i do not know. Is PS3 technology *that* interesting(as you put it)?
Panajev2001a
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Great post Nondescript
nondescript
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Can't help you with that - observations are in the eye of the beholder. (Besides, I'm not about to repeat myself, after just saying we shouldn't).
Agreed. But who's posting them? Look at the author column and draw your own conclusions. As I said earlier, given the patents and the media attention and all that, there is a lot more to talk about with the PS3. I'm sure if MS released some specs, we'd be all over those too.
Yeah, why not? A architecture that's NOT x86? Ridiculous amounts of parallel processing, and memory bandwidth? I'm not saying its the best thing since sliced bread, but it is interesting...all the more so because its coming to a store near you, not just a government/corporate lab. We could talk about Stanford's Imagine stream processor, but that's just a project right now. We could talk about G5 but we know those numbers are cooked...(*ducks and looks around for angry Mac people*)
Sorry pana, but nondescript post is nothing more than a twisted one.
Lemme see what i can do, do what nondescript did, with his one-off, overbroadly qouted examples.
, it sounds fine so far!
Hope you won't feel TOO disappointed when you see what this game REALLY looks like. Then again, chances are your brain will simply refuse to see the irregularities and you'll persist in claiming the game looks just like these screens!
Cmon people, B3D is like any other game forums. There will always be negatives and positives being said, same thing with Nvidia vs ATI or Intel vs AMD.
But as it stands, this place has a higher proportion of Sony stuffs(just look at the first page....). Simple as that.
Lemme see what i can do, do what nondescript did, with his one-off, overbroadly qouted examples.
Excatly. There ARE too few Xbox threads. But it doenst stop this one from turning into a MS IS EVIL!!! LIAR!! GIMMICKS! Sony does thing for the good of consumers blah blah blah.
DMC ZOE RIPOFF!!!
OMG! So PGR2 is at 30fps. Xbox has the problems with 60fps!!! DOT3 is overhyped. We dont need better BM roads!
non pro Sony camp entering pro Sony thread and SURPISE
, it sounds fine so far!It can't be that you're a silly xbot fanboi, can it?
Hope you won't feel TOO disappointed when you see what this game REALLY looks like. Then again, chances are your brain will simply refuse to see the irregularities and you'll persist in claiming the game looks just like these screens!
Cmon people, B3D is like any other game forums. There will always be negatives and positives being said, same thing with Nvidia vs ATI or Intel vs AMD.
But as it stands, this place has a higher proportion of Sony stuffs(just look at the first page....). Simple as that.
nondescript,
i am not claiming to be a saint nor i have anything against Sony topics, but your previous post/assessment is just...just doesnt sound politically correct. You are effectively trying to make claims that the non pro Sony camp are the *bad guys* around. Or at least thats how it read to me...
i am not claiming to be a saint nor i have anything against Sony topics, but your previous post/assessment is just...just doesnt sound politically correct. You are effectively trying to make claims that the non pro Sony camp are the *bad guys* around. Or at least thats how it read to me...
zidane1strife
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Well, some say... the ps2 version of BG
A has the superiour IQ... and that is one of the games with top IQ...zurich said:
Yes. The sooner the better, preferrably ritualistically.
PS. Chap, next time you try to make a point and support it with links, don't make those links nullify your argument threw exposing your own stupidity and bias. Not to mention, immediatly turning around and bashing the PS2...