Go on the record and predict the XB-360 specs

Love_In_Rio said:
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I wish version was right. Ageia will be in at least one console as they have said. MS can´t afford even Revolution to be far way powerful. Dreamcast was nice, easy to develop but was the first one and was seen by the audience as in-between two generations. MS can spend mountains of money but even so get the third place.
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Well, you can rest assured that the first console to hit the market will be the least powerful. Nothing anyone can do about it, and it' nothing that ever stopped consoles from succeeding (PS1-PS2).
 
london-boy said:
Well, you can rest assured that the first console to hit the market will be the least powerful. Nothing anyone can do about it, and it' nothing that ever stopped consoles from succeeding (PS1-PS2).
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LB do you think that sstrictly true? The way people talk about PS3 it will be the most powerful device of the generation and it launches second out of three...

I personally have the feeling that Rev will be almost far and away the most powerful console...
 
blakjedi said:
london-boy said:
Well, you can rest assured that the first console to hit the market will be the least powerful. Nothing anyone can do about it, and it' nothing that ever stopped consoles from succeeding (PS1-PS2).
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LB do you think that sstrictly true? The way people talk about PS3 it will be the most powerful device of the generation and it launches second out of three...

I personally have the feeling that Rev will be almost far and away the most powerful console...
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Well, in general terms, a console with at least 6 months delay should be more powerful. Unless it's fooked. There can be exceptions.
 
london-boy said:
Well, in general terms, a console with at least 6 months delay should be more powerful. Unless it's fooked. There can be exceptions.
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What is the algorithm for delay factor? LOL 6 months way more powerful... 4 months.. eh

if NREV launches christmas 06 worldwide or just Japan (six to nine months behind PS3 in Japan) will it be the same difference in power as between 360 and ps3...?

Fuzzy maths 8)
 
blakjedi said:
LB do you think that sstrictly true? The way people talk about PS3 it will be the most powerful device of the generation and it launches second out of three...

I personally have the feeling that Rev will be almost far and away the most powerful console...
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Performance of a piece of hardware depends on the time of it's release (level of available technology), how much is spent on it's development, and how much it costs (and the developers are willing to lose in the case of console hardware).

On all three counts Sony looks to be ahead, so it's understandable why they look set to be in the top performance place. How much impact that has is another matter. Besides, launch times of PS3 and Rev are unknown. Might be days from each other...
 
blakjedi said:
london-boy said:
Well, in general terms, a console with at least 6 months delay should be more powerful. Unless it's fooked. There can be exceptions.
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What is the algorithm for delay factor? LOL 6 months way more powerful... 4 months.. eh

if NREV launches christmas 06 worldwide or just Japan (six to nine months behind PS3 in Japan) will it be the same difference in power as between 360 and ps3...?

Fuzzy maths 8)
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Err chill out matey, i did say "in general terms". The 6 months thing was just an arbitrary number, whereby after 6 months we start seeing big differences.
However, we're talking about consoles which will all have different architectures, so the line is very blurred, it's not as easy as quantifying the increase in performance in PC graphics cards for example.
 
blakjedi said:
london-boy said:
Well, in general terms, a console with at least 6 months delay should be more powerful. Unless it's fooked. There can be exceptions.
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What is the algorithm for delay factor? LOL 6 months way more powerful... 4 months.. eh

if NREV launches christmas 06 worldwide or just Japan (six to nine months behind PS3 in Japan) will it be the same difference in power as between 360 and ps3...?

Fuzzy maths 8)
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Well Sony is in different position than MS or Nintendo, because they are making it's processor. MS and Nintendo will have to buy their stuff, so Revolution won't necessary be more powerful even if released 6 months later, but if Nintendo pays equal amount of money to Ati and IBM as MS they should get more advanced tech.
 
Well, when we talk about "more powerful" that needs to be quantified. Nintendo showed this generation that more power does not necessarily mean better looking games. What is the use of a ton of power if it is almost useless or too hard/expensive/time consuming to really get at?

Looking at each of the systems we can see really divergent philosphies of console HW. CELL puts all of its eggs in one basket so to speak: FP power. The xCPU has 3 VMX units, but has a 3:1 edge in PPC cores. Those cores wont just be sitting there. The question is not who is more powerful, but who is better at what, and then how frequent/important are those scenarios to game developers.

And as hinted here before, PS3's GPU will be traditional (translation: it will have VS units) so CELL wont be impacting how the games look standing still as much as it will in motion (i.e. more physics bodies with more accurate calculations). In that regard the two systems may look very similar--who knows, maybe unfied shaders pays off and the R500 is more powerful? We know very little in this respect at this time. And probably wont for a while (thinking back to the R300 launch and how it mopped the floor for a long time...)

And memory always plays into the equation. Large 3D meshes take up memory. So do a lot of interactive particles and such. In the past the talk was the PS3 would have 256MB of memory. Now that may have changed with MS rumored to have gone with 512MB, but it all goes back to the fact the PS3 already has CELL production and development costs, a licensed GPU, a BR drive, and more expensive memory (XDR). Throw in the costs of an online gaming network (they already announced micro transactions) and a possible HDD there is always a chance they could stick with 256MB, which is 8x the amount in the PS2.

The PS3, Xbox 360, and Revolution (from what Nintendo has said) all have different design philosophies. Each has strengths and weaknesses. The question is which has the least significant weaknesses and offers the best all around package. Unless you are under NDA and working with two or three systems you cannot even begin to answer that question.

In floating point the PS3 is going to run away from everyone else. But Xbox 360 has an edge in PPC cores. And we know very little about the bottlenecks in these systems or how BALANCED they are. The tools and time developers are given is also significant. Like this gen, it will be more important how the designs HELP developers make the games they concieve of than just having more power. RE4 is a good example of this. Possibly the best looking game this generation even though the Xbox is more powerful and the PS2 does a ton more GFLOPs than the GCN.

Measuring the systems merely by paper numbers tells us little about the games we will be seeing (and yes, I am on record as saying that I expect the PS3 to be the most powerful, which to me means in general I expect PS3 games to look better/have more interaction... at least in an apples-to-apples environment... I still believe development tools this generation are going to be a HUGE factor in what we get out of games).

Anyhow, if you cannot tell, I am tired of "My spec is better than your spec" debates when we know nothing about the all around system. A well balanced system is very important--because if it is not balanced all that extra power is useless.
 
nAo said:
I told ya :LOL:
http://www.maxconsole.net/content_img/1.jpg
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Hmmm :ahem: ... "No scans" ... that aside, if these are legit and not just rumors (I do not read German), is Xbox 360 the WORSE kept secret every for a console??? :oops: Also, they seem to have hit all almost all their targets which is kind of amazing... before the pic goes bye bye...

CPU: 3 x IBM Power PC 3.2GHz
GPU: ATI 500MHz, 10MB embedded DRAM, 500M poly/s, 48B shader operations/s
Memory: 512MB GDDR3
HD: 20GB
DVD: 12x DVD Double Layer
Memory card: 64MB
3 USB ports, 1 in back 2 in front
2 something or others (old Xbox ports???)
WiFi, Ethernet Port, Camera (1280 pixles?)
Straming from Windows XP (HTPC functionality?)
16:9, 720P, 1080i, 5.1 DD, Anti Aliases, personal sound track => All games support these features (if I am reading right)

Just quoting/interpreting the info before the pic goes bye-bye ;)

one said:
So 500 million vertices/sec, I remember someone predicted this...
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I think the TeamXbox stuff from last year estimated that. I really REALLY seems, if these are real, that the Xbox 360 has been a bad kept secret. That obviously is a big advantage to Nintendo and Sony. The good news is that it looks like it comes with a HDD.
 
500 MTriangle/s was from last year leaked specs (1 primitive setup per clock cycle).
Anyway..the specs leaked a couple of days ago were taken from to be published magazines articles.
 
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