But what about the 50 years following the moment when nuclear plants are finished?We can do one hell of a lot more with wind and solar in the next 13 years than we can by investing in nuclear.
But what about the 50 years following the moment when nuclear plants are finished?We can do one hell of a lot more with wind and solar in the next 13 years than we can by investing in nuclear.
Because being reliant on them for natural gas has been such a panacea for the EU.Thirdly, I don't know what the political situation is, but I'd like to see what would happen if they could get some high-voltage connections with Russia.
Finally, the US is quite a bit larger than Europe, enough so that there are typically two weather fronts moving through the US at any given time. The previous studies you have cited have only measured the correlations over a few hundred miles, instead of the few thousand that are available.
Almost everything in life is an engineering problem. The issue here is that it's a decades old, highly lucrative engineering problem, and we still don't have a solution that competes with natural gas except where nature helps us out with free hydro reservoirs.Because by large I don't see how it's relevant. First of all, this argues for significant energy storage capacity. Which is pretty obviously required, and is an engineering difficulty rather than a fundamental one.
Do you even look at any of the data I present to you? Lulls in wind last days or weeks, and while there is a diurnal component to variation on average, total variation is far larger. Whatever capacity you're trying to replace with renewables, you need at least 90% of that as gas backup.Secondly, this variability can additionally be helped through coupling solar with wind power, as solar and wind are often anti-correlated.
I just showed you data for 1500+ miles. 2500 miles not going to be much different. Two weather fronts is not enough, even if they were 100% independent (they aren't). I unfortunately can't find daily US-wide data, but there's no reason to suggest that there's anything special about the US compared to Europe, so the onus is on you to prove otherwise (I found monthly data that suggests worse variability in the US). Even if you had two completely independent regions with characteristics of the Europe data, you'd still have a >5x range in daily production.Finally, the US is quite a bit larger than Europe, enough so that there are typically two weather fronts moving through the US at any given time. The previous studies you have cited have only measured the correlations over a few hundred miles, instead of the few thousand that are available.
If you bothered to follow my math, you would have realized that everything I did was cumulative, and had the long term in mind.You do realize that CO2 release is cumulative, right? That it doesn't go away for hundreds of years? Reducing emissions now by, say, a billion metric tons per year (about 3%) will be a billion metric tons saved every year thereafter in perpetuity.
Generally intelligent people do tend to change their options when given good enough reasons. Something you haven't given so far.I'm under the opinion that it is no use to try and have people agree to my point of view. Because they might simply do that to make me shut up.
Obviously people have to make up their mind and actually base it on various sources and have an open mind when reading them. To me your posts in this thread look like if you first made up your mind and then found a couple of (extremely questionable) sources to back it up.And I value people most if they make up their own mind about things, which you certainly do.
You are dismissing the very real problem. Energy storage is largely unsolved, except in special naturally favourable cases. For example hydro-pump stations in the mountains of Norway where the valleys are situated just right. And even then your capacity is quite limited. People have tried many things, but in the end the solutions have to be cheaper than building another coal-based station. And this is the part where storage comes short: it turns out that multiple energy conversions in the storage process are not exactly free. You call it „engineering problem“, some call it „fundamental problem“, but the problem is not solved.First of all, this argues for significant energy storage capacity. Which is pretty obviously required, and is an engineering difficulty rather than a fundamental one.
Even without politics: where exactly would the power come from? Where would you like to build these lines and what would the landowners think of that? The transmission would be in DC and both ends need some expensive converter stations.Chalnoth said:Thirdly, I don't know what the political situation is, but I'd like to see what would happen if they could get some high-voltage connections with Russia.
Distributed energy system sounds really good until you go ahead and try to build it and add up the costs (see the germans and their idle wind generators far away at the sea).Chalnoth said:Finally, the US is quite a bit larger than Europe, enough so that there are typically two weather fronts moving through the US at any given time.
No, you haven't. The issue is that when we build renewable energy infrastructure right now, that infrastructure is there to stay. The CO2 savings we obtain is compounded every year thereafter. And beyond that we learn better how to construct efficient and inexpensive renewable energy resources. There literally is no downside to going all-in on renewable energy right now.If you bothered to follow my math, you would have realized that everything I did was cumulative, and had the long term in mind.
Do you have reading comprehension problems, or are you just inept at math? Read it again.No, you haven't. The issue is that when we build renewable energy infrastructure right now, that infrastructure is there to stay. The CO2 savings we obtain is compounded every year thereafter.
When you keep your head in the sand and pretend energy storage will be free, of course you think that. In reality, going all-in replaces all our coal and builds a bunch of new natural gas capacity by 2020. You're not going to tear those down, so you're stuck with them until 2060 at least. Until then, for every kWh produced by wind/solar, you produce 1-2kWh with natural gas.There literally is no downside to going all-in on renewable energy right now.
It's not like there's no research on battery tech. It's a problem everyone is trying to solve, yet single digit advancements in efficiency are big deal. But keep in mind that you are talking about device that:spend another $100 billions on batteries and capacitors. batteries aren't even good enough for a bicycle right now, I'd like it better with 200 kilometers range.
Difference is that ISS was mostly engineering effort and getting stuff to orbit with relatively little research needed. You can't buy breakthroughs for money, at least not what's needed for the things you are asking for. Though obviously money does help, just not all that much.do fucking something. nations put together agreed to waste $100 billions on a space station, so let's spend $100 billions on something useful. share and cooperate. spend another $100 billions on batteries and capacitors. batteries aren't even good enough for a bicycle right now, I'd like it better with 200 kilometers range.
IMO batteries are a purely transitional technology ... methane is the future.
That goes both ways. I'm not impressed either. It's only much harder for me to find impressive links.Generally intelligent people do tend to change their options when given good enough reasons. Something you haven't given so far.
Then again, this argument/discussion goes back many years and threads. When you read all of those (on this board), you can see how my evaluation evolves over time.Obviously people have to make up their mind and actually base it on various sources and have an open mind when reading them. To me your posts in this thread look like if you first made up your mind and then found a couple of (extremely questionable) sources to back it up.
So mintmaster picking up the paper claim by claim and telling why exactly it's questionable at best and completely wrong more often isn't good enough?That goes both ways. I'm not impressed either.
IMO batteries are a purely transitional technology ... methane is the future.
Is there anything I can post that might change your view?So mintmaster picking up the paper claim by claim and telling why exactly it's questionable at best and completely wrong more often isn't good enough?