General Next Generation Rumors and Discussions [Post GDC 2020]

[chris1515]

So maybe you can share the dates sony was originally planning and that have been/will be missed as you seem to know sony for sure is late. For reference only concrete information I know was that no launch during fiscal year ending march2020. The other bit I know is ps4 price was announced in june and I would not expect ps5 any sooner because now it's easier to generate the hype closer to the release thanks to everyone being internet savy. If sony moves too early the hype is gone before people can buy games, also launch games are likely to finish close launch(day 0 patches, games on disc maybe not even practically playable?) so showing games later is better as they are more ready.

They were probably thinking of an event before GDC again to prevent leak without giving the price after they will have a second event to talk about the price and no E3 replace by Playstation experience zone showing the game and how the OS work because it changes a lot.

I think this is the last time they will show to the public, a modified GDC conference.

 

[manux]

And just to be clear. I'm not saying sony is or is not late. I'm saying that without more information it's impossible to know. If june comes and goes with no more ps5 information we can start to say that based on past data sony looks to be late. Come july/august no information sony for sure is late and perhaps no hw in stores this year or only very few units.

 

[manux]

They were probably thinking of an event before GDC again to prevent leak without giving the price after they will have a second event to talk about the price and no E3 replace by Playstation experience zone showing the game and how the OS work because it changes a lot.

I think this is the last time they will show to the public, a modified GDC conference.

What you say directly contradicts official investor information given by sony. No launch during fiscal year ending to march 2020. How do you know sonys plans changed after giving that information to investors? It also is very optimistic idea when considering ps4 price was announced in june.

 

[chris1515]

What you say directly contradicts official investor information given by sony. No launch during fiscal year ending to march 2020. How do you know sonys plans changed after giving that information to investors? It also is very optimistic idea when considering ps4 price was announced in june.

Do you understand the word launch? They never said they will give no information about PS5 during the fiscal year 2020. They said PS5 release date is not during fiscal year 2020 like a rumor pointing to fall 2019 for PS5 release.

Road to PS5 video 18th march 2020 before the end of the fiscal year 2020 with PS5 information.

https://www.wired.com/story/exclusive-sony-next-gen-console/

Same 16th April 2019 Ps5 information give during the fiscal year 2020

https://www.wired.com/story/exclusive-playstation-5/

8th October 2019 Ps5 information give before the end of the fiscal year 2020

 

[manux]

Do you understand the word launch? They never said they will give no information about PS5 during the fiscal year 2020. They said PS5 release date is not during fiscal year 2020 like a rumor pointing to fall 2019 for PS5 release.

Road to PS5 video 18th march 2020 before the end of the fiscal year 2020 with PS5 information.

https://www.wired.com/story/exclusive-sony-next-gen-console/

Same 16th April 2019 Ps5 information give during the fiscal year 2020

https://www.wired.com/story/exclusive-playstation-5/

8th October 2019 Ps5 information give before the end of the fiscal year 2020

My understanding in this case and I could be all wrong is that sony means launch as announcing price, game lineup and preorders and showing game demos. This is the part when the general public would be started to be hyped up and sony would hope people would put in preorders. I expect launch to happen june,july timeframe if sony is in schedule.

The other stuff (gdc, wired article) was just getting ahead of the leaks as developers get briefed into details and inevitably leak stuff. It was not console launch, it was just giving interested people trickle of information that would anyway have been leaked by developers.

 

[PSman1700]

What you say directly contradicts official investor information given by sony. No launch during fiscal year ending to march 2020. How do you know sonys plans changed after giving that information to investors? It also is very optimistic idea when considering ps4 price was announced in june.

They never had a reveal planned for february atleast.

 

[chris1515]

They never had a reveal planned for february atleast.

They can have it just before GDC we will never know.

https://www.gsmarena.com/sony_and_a...l_their_appearance_at_mwc_2020-news-41455.php

The COVID-19 was beginning to hurt all event.

My understanding in this case and I could be all wrong is that sony means launch as announcing price, game lineup and preorders and showing game demos. This is the part when the general public would be started to be hyped up and sony would hope people would put in preorders. I expect launch to happen june,july timeframe if sony is in schedule.

The other stuff (GDC, wired article) was just getting ahead of the leaks as developers get briefed into details and inevitably leak stuff. It was not console launch, it was just giving interested people trickle of information that would anyway have been leaked by developers.

Games demos can be shown before giving the price. I don't think The KZ SF demo was not impressive in February 2013. Vertical Slices of games are done for every E3.

 

[Jay]

Sony tried to create a cheaper console and maybe they failed. If they are the same price, it is a failure. If it is only 50 dollars a semi failure.

I'm assuming your talking RRP here.
What about if MS willing to take a bigger loss to match Sony? Is it still a failures?

Just curious how you see the different aspects of it.

 

[DuckThor Evil]

My understanding in this case and I could be all wrong is that sony means launch as announcing price, game lineup and preorders and showing game demos.

Launch is the release of the hardware and that's what the fiscal report thing was about, well actually the fiscal report "only" showed that there were no increased marketing cost for the FY ending March 20. Sony didn't comment about the launch in their report, but separately confirmed no release (hardware) to a reporter.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1121751219590975490

 

[MrFox]

Or maybe they made a console with much better storage, much better VR, better controller haptics, and better audio, at the cost of 18% less gpu power, which makes it impossible to compare until we see the games. Which focus was the most important in the next generation could go either way regardless of price.

 

[chris1515]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1251961178961698816

This what I say much earlier than what you think.

 

[chris1515]

I'm assuming your talking RRP here.
What about if MS willing to take a bigger loss to match Sony? Is it still a failures?

Just curious how you see the different aspects of it.

If it 399 dollars it is not a failure on Sony side and the same price it is ok. If it is 449 or 499 dollars Yikes...

 

[PSman1700]

If it 399 dollars it is not a failure on Sony side and the same price it is ok. If it is 449 or 499 dollars Yikes...

Doubt MS is going to eat close to 100 dollars, if that was what you two ment, for every box sold, even if it's MS with their resources. 399 seems to be winner but neither are going for that i think. 499 seems high-ish for some, but i'm okey with that if that's the case.Anything higher seems dangerous though

 

[chris1515]

Doubt MS is going to eat close to 100 dollars, if that was what you two ment, for every box sold, even if it's MS with their resources. 399 seems to be winner but neither are going for that i think. 499 seems high-ish for some, but i'm okey with that if that's the case.Anything higher seems dangerous though

If they sold at 499 dollars this is not a failure for MS. They intended the XSX to be a premium console and Lockhart to be the other part of the equation. Sony wanted to copy the PS4 launch and a console at 399 dollars, I doubt they will reach it with NAND and GDDR6 cost increase but it is a Sony failure not a Microsoft one.

 

[PSman1700]

I doubt they will reach it with NAND and GDDR6 cost increase but it is a Sony failure not a Microsoft one.

It's not a 'failure' for sony either if the price will be higher then 399, aslong it isn't higher priced against the better-specced XSX no one can call it a failure. Sony has the larger user-base whom invested in their ecosystem/PSN, if their priced the same there wont be trouble for sony due to pricing.
Would MS/Sony already know each others pricing already?

 

[chris1515]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1251969475613777921

It's not a 'failure' for sony either if the price will be higher then 399, aslong it isn't higher priced against the better-specced XSX no one can call it a failure. Sony has the larger user-base whom invested in their ecosystem/PSN, if their priced the same there wont be trouble for sony due to pricing.
Would MS/Sony already know each others pricing already?

No this is a failure because Jim Ryan told to investors last year, people will switch from PS4 to PS5 at a faster rate than PS3 to PS4. This is not possible with a price above 399 dollars.

 

[PSman1700]

No this is a failure because Jim Ryan told to investors last year, people will switch from PS4 to PS5 at a faster rate than PS3 to PS4. This is not possible with a price above 399 dollars.

Ah like that maybe yes. I thought you ment it's a failure against the XSX at a higher-then 399 price, which it wouldn't be i think I think most expect both to be above that by now.

You shared the same link twice i think But yes we probably will see more from both companies coming months, i think that's kinda expected. They need to hype those things up, and with no E3, they probably will keep it digital.

 

[ultragpu]

May sounds like a pretty hype month then, can't wait to see those true native next gen games from Sony first party, I can almost smell the pixels in their purest form oozing out from Horizon Zero Dawn II, BluePoint's new game and Spiderman 2! But I do hope they surprise me with a new Killzone returning to the root of Killzone 2.

 

[AlNom]

Horizon New Dawn?

 

[ultragpu]

Horizon From Dusk till Dawn.