Gamers prefer PS3 and 360 over Rev..

[BlueTsunami]

When a statement like his is made, it simply needs to be addressed.

I also did a little research since my last post, and if you look at last gen console figures up to 2001 and compare them to current gen console figures up to 2004, Sony's marketshare in the US has remained the same, if not grown slightly, from last gen to this gen.

As much as I want to say your correct, polls can be anylized many different ways, most of the time taking on the perspective that fits ones perception. You can follow up his post but then it turns into a cycle of one upping eachother..lol. But I personally don't believe the Playstation brand is being forgotten, theres a bunch of games coming from Japanese Devs coming out this year and (believe it or not) past the launch date of the PS3....the PS2 will still be going strong (software wise) into 2006 and throughout 2006. FFXII is one of the biggest reasons.

 

[Npl]

As much as I want to say your correct, polls can be anylized many different ways, most of the time taking on the perspective that fits ones perception. You can follow up his post but then it turns into a cycle of one upping eachother..lol. But I personally don't believe the Playstation brand is being forgotten, theres a bunch of games coming from Japanese Devs coming out this year and (believe it or not) past the launch date of the PS3....the PS2 will still be going strong (software wise) into 2006 and throughout 2006. FFXII is one of the biggest reasons.

I had thought about it before, but now it strikes me again:
Consider next PS2-Games would have a PS3-Section.. basically the same Game but running on HD-Resolutions and with FSAA, better filtering, Aniso, less agressive LOD, more Particles, significantly reduced save/loadtimes, etc.
I think PS2-Game-Code with its constraints shouldnt be hard (ie. no headache about performance ) to replicate on the PS3.
Backwards compatibility = Good, BC AND more fluid Gameplay (loadtimes) AND better Graphics ==> me considering buying a PS3 at launch instead of a year later..
Could certainly only help both sales of the Game and the PS3.

 

[BlueTsunami]

I had thought about it before, but now it strikes me again:
Consider next PS2-Games would have a PS3-Section.. basically the same Game but running on HD-Resolutions and with FSAA, better filtering, Aniso, less agressive LOD, more Particles, significantly reduced save/loadtimes, etc.
I think PS2-Game-Code with its constraints shouldnt be hard (ie. no headache about performance ) to replicate on the PS3.
Backwards compatibility = Good, BC AND more fluid Gameplay (loadtimes) AND better Graphics ==> me considering buying a PS3 at launch instead of a year later..
Could certainly only help both sales of the Game and the PS3.

If the PS3 DOES have enhancement features for PS2 games through Backwards Compatability...then I also WILL be getting a PS3 at launch. I would get PS3 at launch even if the only feature they added for BC was faster load times.

 

[Npl]

If the PS3 DOES have enhancement features for PS2 games through Backwards Compatability...then I also WILL be getting a PS3 at launch. I would get PS3 at launch even if the only feature they added for BC was faster load times.

Well, I dont think you should expect much more than better filtering for existing PS2 Games, thats why I meant for new Games do a own "conversion" for PS3 and add it on the Disc. I`d love to be proven wrong though and see Jak2 in highres

 

[Cobra101]

Its all about the games baby.

Its all about the games.

 

[Urian]

Its all about all that they know baby.

If one of the consoles is only a box without complete specs, without list of games, without a showned controller and without knowing the online police is very hypocrital start to ask what next gen console are you waiting.

 

[jvd]

There's not liking Sony, and then there's just being silly.

Seriously, have a look at the market. If PS is being "forgotten", then the market as a whole is doomed.

Despite the exposure brought by E3, as a market offering, PS3 is a much fuzzier concept right now than X360. I'm actually somewhat surprised X360 wasn't leading in a poll like this at this stage.

Thats not true at all. The marketed wasn't doomed when people forgot nintendo . It just moved on to the next big thing .

One day the ps name will be forgoten and something else will take its palce . Its just natural

 

[Titanio]

Thats not true at all. The marketed wasn't doomed when people forgot nintendo . It just moved on to the next big thing .

One day the ps name will be forgoten and something else will take its palce . Its just natural

If Playstation is "forgotten", where does that put Xbox and Nintendo? It puts them at something (much) less than "forgotten". That's my point.

 

[jvd]

If Playstation is "forgotten", where does that put Xbox and Nintendo? It puts them at something (much) less than "forgotten". That's my point.

If playstation is forgoten then something wil ltake its place and it can be ms or nintendo that does it . Something will come to fill that void. The busniess is worth billions now . THey wont just let it fail

 

[Titanio]

If playstation is forgoten then something wil ltake its place and it can be ms or nintendo that does it . Something will come to fill that void. The busniess is worth billions now . THey wont just let it fail

OK, I'm quite confused. Do you think Playstation is forgotten now? Or becoming forgotten now?

It's one thing to say that there will come a point when Playstation no longer exists. That of course is true. The biggest companies, the smallest companies, all will eventually fall.

But if you're saying that Playstation is "forgotten" now...

 

[jvd]

OK, I'm quite confused. Do you think Playstation is forgotten now? Or becoming forgotten now?

It's one thing to say that there will come a point when Playstation no longer exists. That of course is true. The biggest companies, the smallest companies, all will eventually fall.

But if you're saying that Playstation is "forgotten" now...

The ps brand name is loosing its shine . IT could be that by the end of this generation playstation is not the most powerfull brand (i doubt it ) but i def think the gen after this upcoming one will see it become on equal footing with nintendo and ms

 

[scooby_dooby]

It's just a sign of the current momentum, I don't know why you PS guys need to bury your head and deny it's happening!

Hell, for all we know the PS3 could change that momentum, if the x360 has a weaker game library and the PS3 is technologically superior ON SCREEN, there's a chance that the pendelum could start to swing back in Sony's direction.

We don't know what'll happen, but to try and deny that Sony is losing momentum big-time stateside, and has been for a couple years now, is just being in denial.

 

[Titanio]

The ps brand name is loosing its shine .

And how do you measure that?

It's just a sign of the current momentum, I don't know why you PS guys need to bury your head and deny it's happening!

Momentum is the most inappropriately used word by "xbox guys". If momentum is on anyone's side, it's Sony.

 

[scooby_dooby]

And how do you measure that?

We live in the real world. Welcome...

Momentum is the most inappropriately used word by "xbox guys". If momentum is on anyone's side, it's Sony.

Sure it is... believe whatever you like dude.

 

[jvd]

And how do you measure that?

Market , pop culture a bunch of diffrent factors .

The xbox brand is growing and taking more market . Which means the other companys will loose market share . You will see this happen most in this upcoming gen.

Momentum is the most inappropriately used word by "xbox guys". If momentum is on anyone's side, it's Sony.

Once you get to 80% of the market its much harder to get to 81% . Then if your at 20% of the market trying to get to 30% of the market .

Momentum is hard to create and sustain and the bigger you are the harder it gets to sustain it . Sony has no where to go but stay the same or shrink. Ms on the other hand will continue growing

 

[Titanio]

Market , pop culture a bunch of diffrent factors .

The market is as strong for Sony now as it was by the end of the last cycle in 2001, in the US. Possibly stronger worldwide. Pop culture - where's the metric for that?

The xbox brand is growing and taking more market . Which means the other companys will loose market share . You will see this happen most in this upcoming gen.

I don't disagree. But I think the jump from "reduced marketshare/mindshare" to "forgotten", is rather large.

If Playstation loses shine...well, it's many times shinier currently than any competing system. How much "shine" will it lose?

The converse of this is that the Xbox brand has little shine relatively. It'd be difficult for it not to gain.

Momentum is hard to create and sustain and the bigger you are the harder it gets to sustain it . Sony has no where to go but stay the same or shrink. Ms on the other hand will continue growing

That's what I was saying earlier. It's very difficult for Sony to keep what it's got. I'd be shocked if they did next gen, even though they seem on target to maintain or exceed what they achieved with the original PS. But again..the leap from that to "forgotten" is..?

We live in the real world. Welcome...

What a thoroughly convincing argument. Evidently you are the one who needs reintroduction to the real world if you think Playstation is being "forgotten".

 

[scooby_dooby]

It's pointless trying to convince someone who already has their mind made up.

But what the hell! Here's the full article from 1up:

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Before we move on, the basics. This blind study was conducted by the Strategy Group using natural selection via telephone, projected to the entire US and took place from May to July of this year. 1,558 total surveys were collected during this three month span. Also, some of the percentages may not add up to 100% because we're excluding staistics from handhelds, PCs, etc. and focusing on next-generation.

Now, onto what matters! 37% are considering purchasing a PlayStation 3 over the next 12 months, withXbox 360 close behind with 34% and Revolution trailing at 14%. That's a surprising jump for Microsoft, considering the study found only 30% owned an Xbox compared to 51% with a PlayStation 2. If this study's an indication, they've made some serious ground in the minds of gamers this past generation.

That's not all, though. The study also broke down what genres people are most looking forward two on the next-generation platforms, with racing fans looking leaning to the PlayStation 3, action and first-person-shooter fans keeping an eye on Xbox 360, and - unsurprisingly - strategy, puzzle, party and platform fans holding out for Revolution. Also, apparently Revolution anticipators aren't looking forward to flight simulations. Shock!

37% [of gamers] are considering a PS3 ... Xbox 360 close behind with 34% and Revolution trailing at 14%.
What's far less surprising are the answers to what gamers believe each of the platforms individually excel at. Despite the impressive PlayStation 3 technical demonstrations (pre-rendered or not), gamers still see Xbox 360 as having the best graphics - maybe a holdover from last generation? Xbox 360 is also seen as likely having the best online play, while there's absolutely no expectation for Revolution and PlayStation 3 falls several notches below Microsoft's efforts.

What's it all mean? It basically confirms what we've all been speculating: when it comes to the United States, Microsoft's managed (likely mostly thanks to Halo) to erode a signicant portion of Sony's mindshare amongst the gaming community, and as long as Microsoft doesn't botch Xbox 360's launch, they'll be able to carry that momentum throughout the holidays and beyond.

 

[macabre]

I think it`s no surprise MS is doing so well at the moment. It`s close to launch and so there are more and more games appearing, while for the PS3 there are only a few games shown. And most of them have the "pre-rendered aura" around them, being true or not.
Next year closer to the PS3/Rev. launch the numbers could be completely different...

 

[-NakedZ-]

Similar polls right after E3 had PS3 leading a lot more than the new numbers. But since E3, unlike MS, Sony has been quiet in the software front. We haven't really seen/heard newer software announcement. Heck, even those shown or announce at E3 are nowhere to be found after E3, while MS is in full throttle due to their system nearing its launch. And hench the new numbers.

What's left to do is wait if Sony has some evil derailment plan leading to 360's launch (I could possibly say the same for Nintendo). And remember that many of those millions of consumer who bought game console(s) this gen aren't early adopters.

And like many of you, I hope one of the three big names drop out of the hardware (if it doesn't sacrifice innovation, that is).

- Z

 

[scooby_dooby]

Hey Tatiano, i didn't manage to convince you did I?

here's some new numbers for 2004 which should further show the xbox's growing MOMENTUM,

"The PS2 still keeps its position as the best-selling home console worldwide, but shipments have been declining for the past two years. In the overseas market in particular, the number of PS2s shipped has dropped by almost 50 percent, from 17.4 million units in 2003 to 9.29 million units in 2004.

The GameCube has suffered a smaller percentage decline overseas, from 4.18 million units to 3.68 million units. On the other hand, the American-made Xbox console has been doing well overseas, as its shipment count rose from 5.62 million units in 2003 to 6.16 million units in 2004. But little of that increase is due to Japan gamers clamoring for Xbox units. "

So xbox numbers continue to climb as ps2 numbers continue to fall, convinced yet? or will you still argue that "if anything sony has the momentum"?