Forza: The new simluation king? :D

[Johnny Awesome]

GT4 is the casual gamer's simulator and Forza is the genuine article. Both are good games.

 

[Kolgar]

What the hell? Who cares which is better. I only own GT4 but I'm loving it completely.

I'd really like to take Forza for a test drive. If it's as good as people say, I may buy it. But man - these are games, people. Play and enjoy. Live and let live.

Besides, competition for the GT series will only benefit us all.

 

[Johnny Awesome]

I couldn't agree more.

 

[-tkf-]

I think you're trying too hard to dismiss what every review is saying. BTW who says the graphics and sound is weaker?

Your assesment friends:

Though every car receives plenty of attention and is immediately distinguishable, there's simply not the intangible wow factor that nearly everyone gets when looking at GT4. Make no mistake, this is a very good-looking game; it's just not top of the heap.

The in-game graphics are also good, but not great. Compared to a number of racers, specifically GT4, Forza holds up pretty well, but direct comparisons to that lowly PS2 game (how dare I!) prove a little disappointing. First, the car models aren't as good. They're just not. The car models are again of high quality, but they're not terribly refined, they're often blocky and lack detail, and in some cases, they just don't bring out the beauty of that particular model (whether it's an RX7 or a GT Challenger). Again, they're respectable, just not brilliant.

You'll see real-time reflections in windows and in the shine of a car, but they look a little delayed, a little slow even, not entirely moving in real-time. You'll see decent particles, too, though nothing surprising.

The car textures fit in line with the models -- good but not great. The art style of the backgrounds and environments isn't very photorealistic or inspired either. There are some nice trees, some interesting forested areas, a bunch of static 2D sprite people -- and the streets of NY are easily the best looking parts of the game -- but besides that, none of there areas pop out and grab you. Nothing is gorgeous or stunning. It's all just good. The game runs in 480p.

Ohh and about the shimmering bait? not biting.

 

[PC-Engine]

Like I said dude. You're trying TOO hard. We can start posting screenshots, video clips and whatnot, but what is the point? Forza having weaker than GT4 graphics is an opinion get it?

Regarding your comment about me having played a SONY PS2 game, maybe I've played some PS2 games at my friends' place maybe not who's to say? It's a friggin game man, not your pet dog.

 

[-tkf-]

Forza having weaker than GT4 graphics is an opinion get it?

Yeah from the same people that you use as a "backup" for your asessment

Regarding your comment about me having played a SONY PS2 game, maybe I've played some PS2 games at my friends' place maybe not who's to say?

You actually have friends that own Sony stuff?

 

[PC-Engine]

Forza having weaker than GT4 graphics is an opinion get it?

Yeah from the same people that you use as a "backup" for your asessment

Regarding your comment about me having played a SONY PS2 game, maybe I've played some PS2 games at my friends' place maybe not who's to say?

You actually have friends that own Sony stuff?

A link would be nice.

And no they don't own SONY stuff, they only own one PS2, Xbox, and GCN.

 

[-tkf-]

You need a link to the same reviews you have read?

IGN, Gamespy, Gamespot.

 

[gurgi]

This is great. PCE hasn't played GT4 and tkf hasn't played Forza.


FIGHT!

 

[Shifty Geezer]

Though at least, it seems from the above, tkf has read the reviews that downplay Forza's visuals, as opposed to PCEngine who's using such reviews to back his argument it looks better than GT4? Am I understanding this right?

Granted this is a new low for this forum though. Not sure what else we can aim for now. How's about 'Heavenly Sword' is better than 'Halo3'? None of us have played either game so we'll all be able to join in the debate.

 

[randycat99]

Like I said dude. You're trying TOO hard. We can start posting screenshots, video clips and whatnot, but what is the point? Forza having weaker than GT4 graphics is an opinion get it?

This would seem to imply that the reviews do NOT fully support your own observations of the game. Undoubtedly you agree where there are good things to be said, but how do you consolidate the bad things that are cited? They just cease to exist, right? Even your claim that the "reviews seem to agree with you" is bunk.

(to recap: First we hear you claim that Forza has every category beat, then we hear you say you completely agree with the reviews and the reviews back you up completely, then someone brings to your attention an excerpt from a review that cites some weak areas in the game, then you backpeddle from your earlier position, and challenge to compare pictures- if you and the reviews are in complete agreement, then why the need to compare pictures??? There should be no need, or your assertion that the reviews completely back you up is erroneous.)

 

[PC-Engine]

You need a link to the same reviews you have read?

IGN, Gamespy, Gamespot.

No I want a link to that specific review since I want to read all of it.

BTW when did art direction become the main topic of debate? Oh yeah since GT4 lost in the other category.

Like I said dude. You're trying TOO hard. We can start posting screenshots, video clips and whatnot, but what is the point? Forza having weaker than GT4 graphics is an opinion get it?

This would seem to imply that the reviews do NOT fully support your own observations of the game. Undoubtedly you agree where there are good things to be said, but how do you consolidate the bad things that are cited? They just cease to exist, right? Even your claim that the "reviews seem to agree with you" is bunk.

Then why did Forza get higher scores? More features and bad physics? You never learn do you?

 

[randycat99]

...and then you fallback on the scores, "see, it has higher numbers, it MUST be better [dismisses the content of the review]". It never occurred to you that "the number score" is the shortcut way to evaluate for anyone who cares not to read the details? That's why you have a review that precedes it, because clearly, the numbers inherently cannot tell the whole story. Do you really think that the numbers that are conjured in a "game journal" are representative of any sort of vigorous scientific basis? Of course, not! It's essentially a "feel good" number put at the end of a review to satisfy those who think a game can be summed up to a "number" (got to serve your readership, right?)

 

[-tkf-]

No I want a link to that specific review since I want to read all of it.

Then why did Forza get higher scores? More features and bad physics? You never learn do you?

You got the links, you should be able to find the reviews on their sites.

And i think we did have some nice long discussions of reviews and scores, how much do think Forza had scored if it was a PS2 game? And how much do you think GT4 would have scored if it was a XBOX game?

I know you are very upset, but i'm not saying Forza isn't the best racing game ever, sorry! What i said was that i doubted the driving sensation surpassed GT4.

 

[Onkl Bjorni]

Having played both games, IMO GT4 is a much better simulator then Forza. Forza may have an advantage in the graphic/sound department, but in replicating the feeling of driving a real car, GT4 with a Ligitech Driving Force wheel is superior in every way.

In fact GT4 is the only game where I have experienced speedblindnes.

Well that's my opinion anyway.....

PS:I'm not saying Forza is a bad game, but IMO it's no GT4...

 

[-tkf-]

Having played both games, IMO GT4 is a much better simulator then Forza.

Did you play the Forza Demo or the Retail? What i have read indicates quite a big difference between the two?

 

[Onkl Bjorni]

Having played both games, IMO GT4 is a much better simulator then Forza.

Did you play the Forza Demo or the Retail? What i have read indicates quite a big difference between the two?

I have played both, but did not play the demo enough to comment on the difference. I may replay the demo to see if there is any difference..

 

[therealskywolf]

I've been playing Forza Today, and i can say that my 1st experiences with the game have been better than my 1st experiences with Gt4.

Right now i think that Forza is the better game. I hope it sells well, it deserves it.

 

[London Geezer]

Personally i really don't see what's the point in comparing the 2.

If someone only has an Xbox, and he likes racing games, he will buy Forza cause it's a great game.

If someone has a PS2, he will buy GT4.

If someone has both consoles and is a real racing fan, he will end up buying both games, because real racing fans devour racing games. Like me, i can't get enough of them and HAVE TO play all decent racing games.

 

[Iron Tiger]

Oh and being ambitious isn't negative when you get SOLID farme rates,and yes a game with a solid 30fps frame rate is more than acceptable.At least it is more acceptable than getting headaches from watching all these jaggies(like in the GT games) esp. if you have a large Tv.

How about the fact that the best selling ps2 games (the GTA games) have HORRIBLE frame rates(GTA:SA had ..what(??) a 20-25 fps frame rate at best).I don't remember all these sony fanboys whining about it...
If being ambitious and lowering the frame rate from 60 to 30 is bad then the GTA games(which don't evven run at solid 30fps) shouldn't exist on the ps2....

Being ambitious isn't a negative. There are lots of great inventive games that came out this generation from ambitious companies. There were also a lot of disappointing stinkeroos from companies that were too ambitious (*cough* Halo 2).

And for the record, I've avoided the GTA series. The graphics on every platform were far below a level I would deem acceptable for this generation. The big PS2 games that sold well that I've bought this generation all had good graphics. I don't need 60fps from every game, but I require it if I'm going to be paying for a racer in this generation. Same goes for 3D 1-on-1 fighters from any generation.

...and i'll write this whole thread as sony fanboyism.It seems that the reviews forza is getting has offended many people.

i half expected this turn from start. not just think of the daily slant here, but also their great admired of polypony as the mastery of programs, and 6/7 years devotion to gt series as apex of sony exlcusive quality. they still are. but come along a ragged noob team that shockinly created a simer experience, some dirt have uncovered.

i dont care as unbiased gamer. i play console not console wars. but a part of me is happy the jason have slay the goliath, the aragon returns as king. yes we love our established games, but as gamer for 14 years, seeing new quality franchises poke out is celebrations.

I'm not a Polyphony fan, and I really didn't care for the GT series until GT3.

With such a strong foundation to build upon, Forza II on Xenon at 720p or 1080i at 60fps would be so awesome. 8)

As long as they also have those environment maps sampled/refreshed at the same frequency as the game's framerate, and they have support for a good FF wheel, I'd likely buy that.