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Damn, seems I don't understand the way the fine works at all.
F1 finances are a logical black hole!
You get X amount of money for scoring a point in the constructors championship which is determined by the positions your cars finished in after a race.
McLaren, due to their point total for this year up until the stripping, was set to get that X amount of money. Now that money will be used to pay off a part of the $100million fine. McLaren will have to write a check for the remainder.
If they lose the Hungary decision, their X amount allocted towards the fine would be reduced by the loss of point in Hungary thus they are hoping to keep those points so the money they would generate goes off to pay a portion of the $100million fine.
Yeah, I know how it works now, but it seems to me that if it should have been a proper fine, the X amount of money you would have received due to their standing in the Constructors' Championship should not have any impact on the fine itself since they were stripped of those points.
That's what I meant with my previous comment.
That's what I meant with my previous comment.
Bouncing Zabaglione Bros.
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In this case though, stripping Mclaren of points also strips them of money at the same time as points are tied to the money they make.
Bouncing Zabaglione Bros.
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Because their points are taken away, they also lose the $70-80 million they'd already "earned" this season.
What you're saying is fine if points were only counted towards the championship. Then they would have to lose points and be additionally fined. But as points are directly part of Mclaren's income, taking them away is also a fine at the same time.
Maclaren are effectively having their race earnings for this year taken away this year to pay the fine, and will also have to find the balance from their outside earnings (like sponsorship). The FIA have basically garnished this years earnings from Maclaren.
If you get fined for speeding, and the court directly takes that money from your wages, you don't expect them to take it again by insisting you write a cheque for the same amount for the same crime.
I don't think the money is portioned out dependant on the number of points, but fixed dependant on your finishing place in the constructors championship. The point of trying to appeal it would be if they think Ferrari could be close to their "virtual" tally by the end of the season.
Let me see if I get this:
if McLaren finish 1, 2 next race and Ferrari finishes 3, 4, Ferrari will be the winning constructor and have a representative receive an award on the podium, but they will still only get 11 points and McLaren will have 18 points added to their virtual tally?
if McLaren finish 1, 2 next race and Ferrari finishes 3, 4, Ferrari will be the winning constructor and have a representative receive an award on the podium, but they will still only get 11 points and McLaren will have 18 points added to their virtual tally?
tongue_of_colicab
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Yes.
No. Mclaren are not allowed to score anymore points virutal or real.
The FIA confirmed that the construtors points for the rest of the season are only going to be dolled out according to their actual finishing positions, so if McLaren are 1 + 2 on the track then only the next 6 cars will score points, and according to their on track finishing positions - so, yes, McLaren get 18 virtual points, and Ferrari get 11 actual points in your scenario. And, in that case there will be no constructor representative on the podium for that race as McLaren can't claim any constructors trophies, but neither can any other team if they didn't actually win the race.
The actual ceremonies for the drivers and constructors Championship is held at an event at the end of season.
The actual ceremonies for the drivers and constructors Championship is held at an event at the end of season.
I don't think thats the case. The ruling states that the money McLAren have to pay is netted off the winning for where they would have finished in the Championship. As the Championship hasn't finished yet then they are still counting the tally the McLaren would have got. The fact that other constructors points are not being "bumped up", but instead kept at their on-track points level support this.
[Edit] - Scratch that. It appears to be the finishing position for the points up to and including Monza. So it look like Ferrari will finish first by the end of the season, irrespective of the Hungry points.
tongue_of_colicab
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But the other teams cant get the points mclaren should get for the positions they finish at, so in a way mclaren is getting points even though their points wont go up because others cant score mclarens points either.
Unknown Soldier
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The FIA today made the World Motor Sport Council hearing transcripts available with regard to the McLaren-Ferrari espionage situation.
Meetings took place on 26th July and 13th September and the outcome for McLaren Mercedes was the loss of it constructors’ championship points and a 100 million US dollar fine.
FIA statement
"The attached transcripts were recorded in the World Motor Sport Council hearings by a professional stenographer and formatted by an independent transcription company. They were then sent to the Ferrari and Vodafone McLaren Mercedes teams to afford them the opportunity to redact any confidential financial or technical information.
"The transcripts have not been amended by the FIA in any way and there may be some minor typing errors that have not been corrected."
http://press.fiacommunications.com/wmsc-transcript-26-07-2007.pdf
http://press.fiacommunications.com/wmsc-transcript-13-09-2007.pdf
News Source: F1-Live
Meetings took place on 26th July and 13th September and the outcome for McLaren Mercedes was the loss of it constructors’ championship points and a 100 million US dollar fine.
FIA statement
"The attached transcripts were recorded in the World Motor Sport Council hearings by a professional stenographer and formatted by an independent transcription company. They were then sent to the Ferrari and Vodafone McLaren Mercedes teams to afford them the opportunity to redact any confidential financial or technical information.
"The transcripts have not been amended by the FIA in any way and there may be some minor typing errors that have not been corrected."
http://press.fiacommunications.com/wmsc-transcript-26-07-2007.pdf
http://press.fiacommunications.com/wmsc-transcript-13-09-2007.pdf
News Source: F1-Live
I read the whole thing and I felt the WMSC was very close to booting McLaren from the 2007 and 2008 seasons. I'm glad that didn't happen.
I hope FIA's inspection of McLaren's 2008 car will result in McLaren being allowed to compete in both championships next year, but if McLaren fails the inspection, they should be punished just as or even more severely than now.
I hope FIA's inspection of McLaren's 2008 car will result in McLaren being allowed to compete in both championships next year, but if McLaren fails the inspection, they should be punished just as or even more severely than now.
