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[DuckThor Evil]

FIA should have penalized the drivers as well. Hamilton may not have been quilty of anything, but it doesn't matter. I'm not saying that they should have lost all their points, but take some of them away and bring the Ferrari pilots back to the championship picture. Well what is done is done...

 

[tongue_of_colicab]

FIA should have penalized the drivers as well. Hamilton may not have been quilty of anything, but it doesn't matter. I'm not saying that they should have lost all their points, but take some of them away and bring the Ferrari pilots back to the championship picture. Well what is done is done...

Taking a few points would be the first thing possible because it makes the WDC looks totally made. If they wanted to punish the drivers they should have excluded them and make a statement that spying is not done and not be half assed about it. But it was clear from the beginning the drivers wouldnt be penitalized for commercial reasons.

 

[dizietsma]

So who will be alongside Hamilton in 2008?

An all English team might possibly have Davidson in it, he has lots of experience and would be "cheap" compared to say Button. Ron also knows he is pretty level headed and so Ron would not lose any more hair. Davidson would be happy moving up to a better team and he probably would be happy with Ron's relationship with Hamilton.

He'd just got on with the driving, I think it would be a good matchup and in relation to what I have said above I think McLaren should put some serious consideration into hiring him.

From what I have seen of Davidson he is pretty level headed, he doesn't have as many character flaws as some past "greater " drivers and he looks pretty quick in a slower car. Being pretty quick in a slower car is always a good sign, look at Schumacher at Jordan for isntance. He also is quite professional and would fit in with McLarens somewhat overstated need to have that glossy image.

Quick, cheap, steady, level headed, concentrates on the driving. Not a bad CV for Ron to read at the moment I think

Poor old Ron, heh heh, some purchase decisions are terrible in hindsight;how can something that looked so good be so bad? And cost so much. It's like buying a new £100 000 car that continually does not start, breaks down, needs constant attention and then finally sets itself on fire and burns your garage down as well.

The Vauxhall Alonso - has quite a good ring to it actually.

 

[DuckThor Evil]

I think I have heard that Alonso want's Fisichella to be his team mate, if he goes to Renault, that means Kovalainen has to go. Kovalainen has had pretty good season after the bad start. A Finn should be on Mclaren.

 

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I'd like to see Button there, he's one hell of a driver but needs a better car. Would also be a nice fit for McLaren I think.

 

[Bludd]

If Alonso leaves McLaren, and judging by what Ron Dennis said in the FIA transcripts - he most likely will IMHO, I think he will go back to Renault or to Toyota because of the Japanese teams deep pockets. If he goes to Toyota, I very much suspect Ralf Schumacher to go, because Ralf has performed worse than Jarno Trulli thus far this season.

I don't want to see Alonso stop racing because I think he is really talented and it would be a loss for the sport. Some may argue that he's show unsportsmanlike behaviour, but going by the example of Michael Schumacher, the most accomplished driver F1 has seen, he's not bad at all.

I found this commentary at ITV-F1.com to be very interesting.

 

[tongue_of_colicab]

Why would he go to toyota? He was already complaining about Renault not giving him a perfect car and whith that car he won the WDC. If he goes to Toyota he can be happy if they give hem a top10 car, let alone a car that can win the WDC.

 

[Bludd]

Money is my bet.

 

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but going by the example of Michael Schumacher, the most accomplished driver F1 has seen, he's not bad at all.

Bull. Schumacher did some nasty things, but he was always open about it and stood behind his words and decisions. Alonso is just a little sneaky traitor arsehole, not even remotely comparable.

 

[dizietsma]

Schumacher was sneaky on the track whereas Alonso is sneaky off the track. Both are not ideal traits in my book. He's certainly pretty fast, but then again he has always had fast cars. Maybe Hamilton and Alonso might not be fastest if we stuck the entire field in the same car and see what was what.

As for Alonso not wanting Toyota because he wants a better car, well the question might rather be would Toyota want Alonso with all his baggage. Remember that all the teams now realise that we live in a F1 age where potentially they could be hit with a £100m fine, would they want a loose canon like Alonso in their team for next year considering this?

I think he will need to take what he's offered, but he will probably think he deserves the best. Could be tricky.

 

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I think his situation for the future is a bit like "last warning before the perma-ban" sort of.

 

[Bludd]

Well, Flavio is holding off on confirming his drivers for next year so I think there's a good chance Alonso will go there.

£100m fine

Remember, the fine was in USD, not GBP. 100 million USD is about 50 million GBP.

 

[DJ12]

FIA should have penalized the drivers as well. Hamilton may not have been quilty of anything, but it doesn't matter. I'm not saying that they should have lost all their points, but take some of them away and bring the Ferrari pilots back to the championship picture. Well what is done is done...

I agree, but seeing as there is no proof Hamilton was in the loop like Alonso, you cannot really take the points off him. Alonso directly implicated himself in the whole sordid affair.

If I was Ron I would've been pushing for him to be punished

 

[chavvdarrr]

With Alonso out, McLaren will need someone who can help with making the car, so far Hamilton is not impressive - looks like that after Alonso stopped exchanging all info, he lost speed. And he is less expirienced of course.
I'd like to see Alonso in Toyota - hopefully he can help'em to become faster and Button?Barrichelo already confirmed to stay in Honda 1 more season, no?
better to have more fast teams, than more slow once

 

[chavvdarrr]

I agree, but seeing as there is no proof Hamilton was in the loop like Alonso, you cannot really take the points off him. Alonso directly implicated himself in the whole sordid affair.

If I was Ron I would've been pushing for him to be punished

ya, ya, 2 of 3 pilots in the team KNEW about the stolen info, discussed about it, made simulations, asked mechanics to do tyre tests, Hamilton had access to all info available to the team, yet he, The Innocent One, had no idea where had that info come from.

Rather, I'd say that Hamilton was the sneaky, tricky dishonest one who should be punished. Mozli gave parole to all who confess, Hamilton lied, ergo he must be out
Anyone who believes he had no idea should put his pink glasses off.

 

[DJ12]

Has it occurred to you that the McLaren guy knew Alonso was a snake in the grass so would react positively to the information, and he did know how Hamilton would react so didn't pass anything on and anything Hamilton did get would've been from passing comment like "try this" as opposed to "this is what Ferrari are doing" like Alonso.

Do you really think if Alonso had been sending these emails to Hamilton he wouldn't have tried to shaft him in the second hearing.

 

[Bouncing Zabaglione Bros.]

ya, ya, 2 of 3 pilots in the team KNEW about the stolen info, discussed about it, made simulations, asked mechanics to do tyre tests, Hamilton had access to all info available to the team, yet he, The Innocent One, had no idea where had that info come from.

Rather, I'd say that Hamilton was the sneaky, tricky dishonest one who should be punished. Mozli gave parole to all who confess, Hamilton lied, ergo he must be out
Anyone who believes he had no idea should put his pink glasses off.

It's obvious you want to have Alonso's babies in every post you make, but the evidence we have (provided by Alonso) puts Alonso squarely in the middle of the cheating. You want to punish Hamilton because he didn't confess and there's no evidence against him, so "he must be lying"?

How about we put you in prison for a murder you didn't confess to? There's no evidence, and you'll deny it, but that just proves you're a liar as well as a murderer.

Unlike that completely honest Alonso who cheats, tries to blackmail his boss, and then has to own up to his cheating when put into a corner.

If there's one single person that's damaged McLaren this year, it's Alonso. What Coughlan did in concert with Stepney was bad enough, but at least they kept it quiet. What Alonso did has publicly unravelled McLaren's reputation, exposed the in-house personality problems, cost the team the championship and $100 million, damaged F1 as a whole.

 

[DuckThor Evil]

It doesn't matter whether Hamilton knew or not, Formula one is a team sport and the Mclaren team cheated, Hamilton benefitted from this cheating by having a better car. He should have been penalized.

 

[Bludd]

Juan Pablo Montoya's (ex McLaren F1 driver) views at autosport.com:

Montoya: I feel sorry for Alonso
Montoya not surprised by spy scandal

 

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ya, ya, 2 of 3 pilots in the team KNEW about the stolen info, discussed about it, made simulations, asked mechanics to do tyre tests, Hamilton had access to all info available to the team, yet he, The Innocent One, had no idea where had that info come from.

Rather, I'd say that Hamilton was the sneaky, tricky dishonest one who should be punished. Mozli gave parole to all who confess, Hamilton lied, ergo he must be out
Anyone who believes he had no idea should put his pink glasses off.

No. Alonso started the whole affair by using the fact that he has the data to put pressure on Dennis. He's responsible for the whole thing becoming public in the first place. Hamilton may have had the info too, but he kept his mouth shut and didn't try to blackmail his team, that's a whole world of difference. Hamilton was/is loyal to his team, Alonso wants the team to obey his wishes.