While it's true that the rules say that you just can't put higher sector times under yellow flag, so they technicly weren't breaking that rule, the rules also state that you have to reduce your speed under yellow flags no matter what
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While it's true that the rules say that you just can't put higher sector times under yellow flag, so they technicly weren't breaking that rule, the rules also state that you have to reduce your speed under yellow flags no matter what
Not much really, the championship is practicly Buttons or Barrichellos, and they both got the same penalty; if there would be some magic wanding Barrichello wouldn't have gotten the penalty
Stop being so cynical. Vettel can still do it! You have to believe!
Nah, I actually hope Barrichello would get it, he's running out of years and has done a good job in F1, even if he has been put as "2nd driver" to those like MS always
Rurouni
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I don't see the quali myself, but from what I read The Brawns and Sutil haven't put their time yet... at least they should be given 1 chance to put their times without any major obstruction. Probably it's just their bad luck, but quali supposed to order the grid from fastest to slowest, which isn't happening because the accident. But since I haven't seen the quali, I don't know if they can put another lap without the yellow flag though.
Now... the supposedly final grid position is weird... logical? probably... fair? I don't know... even though Barrichello and Sutil commit the same offence, since Barrichello commited it first, he ended up in front of Sutil despite Sutil is 4th fastest and Barri is 5th in Q3.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/79223
ye well, it isn't fair, it's about tactic as well, like driving at the right time without too much traffic, and not ending up in Q3 without any softer tyres anymore like Kimi did
tongue_of_colicab
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A good job at what? The only good job I see him to is whining and complaining.
Just finished watching the BBC rerun of the race. Not that exciting. Stupid Kovi had to bump into Sutil ruining a good score for him. Time to say bye bye to Kovi at the end of the season. As far as im concerned he's no addition to F1 at all.
chavvdarrr
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And Button is better?
The results say so.
tongue_of_colicab
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Not really apart from not whining as much. That is why Vettel should be WDC
Seriously, Webber and Torro Rosso should do their moral obligations and run into the Brawns to save us from Whining & co.
chavvdarrr
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Well, Button was "dissapointed that Rosberg was not penalised".
For someone who was obviously favorized by his team at start of the season thats "whinning
For someone who was obviously favorized by his team at start of the season thats "whinning
I think where Barrichello lost the plot though was at the German Grand Prix. He did himself no favours with that little outburst.
The Rosberg incident seems pretty cut-and-dried to me. Whilst he did gain an advantage (clearly) by being faster under the SC than he should have been, it wasn't his fault but the fault of the standard ECU supplied by McLaren which failed to show the required information when it was also displaying a "low fuel" warning.
Rurouni
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But Vettel were punished in Singapore while he obeys the speed limit and Rosberg is not because he doesn't see the info? Surely Rosberg can ask trough the radio? or probably the team can warn him about the speed? surely there's one people in the pit lane noticed that Rosberg is speeding?
One wasn't actually making a mistake but get punished... the other one make a mistake but don't get punished.
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The Vettel incident has nothing to do with this and it's a mistake to all into the "X was punished for speeding so Y should be too" trap. Vettel considered himself not to be speeding as he was under the speed limit. Fair enough. He was punished because of the daft way that the stewards seem to measure the speed through the pit lane.
The Rosberg incident involves how much you need to slow down when a safety car comes onto the track. Clearly when you join the "tail" following the SC you'll be going at the same speed as the SC itself - but your lap time as you catch up with tail is subject to a performance delta, i.e you have to slow down by a certain amount from your previous lap. Without the required information from the ECU this would be very difficult to do. And don't forget Rosberg pitted as the safety car came out so it's not as if he was out there for very long. He got lucky because he pitted at a point where other cars had to slow down for the SC, meaning the penalty for pitting became less important. He gained about 7-8 seconds from that, enough to (just) keep him ahead of Heidfeld/Barrichello/Button.
It was the FIA that decided to cut down the amount of information that can be displayed on the ECU, meaning this kind of problem can happen when it's trying to display more information that it can show. A bit stupid, but then this is the FIA we're talking about.
Rurouni
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It's not about whether Rosberg had done enough, but more about the consistency. It's not like Vettel gain any advantage in Singapore, but he was still being punished. If a small 'mistake' like Vettel warrant a punishment, why not Rosberg? The punishment on Vettel could rob the WDC title from him.
Even Alonso was punished at quali although he clearly slowed down... not fast enough because he sees it late, but still slowed down...
Basically we need consistency....
Even Alonso was punished at quali although he clearly slowed down... not fast enough because he sees it late, but still slowed down...
Basically we need consistency....
It's not about whether Rosberg had done enough, but more about the consistency. It's not like Vettel gain any advantage in Singapore, but he was still being punished. If a small 'mistake' like Vettel warrant a punishment, why not Rosberg? The punishment on Vettel could rob the WDC title from him.
Even Alonso was punished at quali although he clearly slowed down... not fast enough because he sees it late, but still slowed down...
Basically we need consistency....
It's impossible to be consistent in two completely different situations. Vettel didn't make any mistake - it was simply the way that stewards measure speed through the pits that was flawed. They gave the drive-through penalty in the middle of the race, and can hardly undo it after the event. Personally I think it's clear Vettel shouldn't have been punished, but it's only afterwards we found out the full facts. Hopefully it means that the FIA will change the way that speed measurements are carried out and this won't happen again.
Rosberg wasn't punished because it was investigated properly after the end of the race and wasn't a spur of the moment "you speeded, have a drive-through" punishment. It was realised what happened and why it happened and it was decided no blame could rest on Rosberg, so he wasn't punished.
We're not after consistency here from the FIA and stewards - we're after correct decisions. The fact that they (probably) made a mistake with Vettel doesn't mean they should compound this by making incorrect decisions elsewhere. And again, the two examples are not the same situation anyway, Rosberg was not speeding in the pit-lane.
Well, yes. If only because he would have been 3 points closer to Button and the WC would be that bit more interesting.
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