rumor dismiss today by Mr Satchell.
http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=71634
http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=71634
Engaget: 360 v2 'Zephyr' - HDMI, 65nm?, 120gb HDD (picture)
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You think a new AV receiver would sell if it had no HDMI?
You think a DVD or High Definition movie player would sell if it had no HDMI?
HDMI is the new connection method, and it is a feature people buying new stuff expect to be there, whether they have use for it right away or not, it makes them feel what they're buying is futureproof (which it is, naturally).
Would you have bought a TV without component ten years ago?
Why is a HD era console different from other gear, where HDMI clearly is a desired feature.
You think a DVD or High Definition movie player would sell if it had no HDMI?
HDMI is the new connection method, and it is a feature people buying new stuff expect to be there, whether they have use for it right away or not, it makes them feel what they're buying is futureproof (which it is, naturally).
Would you have bought a TV without component ten years ago?
Why is a HD era console different from other gear, where HDMI clearly is a desired feature.
rabidrabbit, are you answering to me?
I haven't given my opinion, just linked a PR.
My opinion is that Ms will come with a hdmi 360, but maybe later than the rumours would want to make you believe.
ANd it doesn't change the fact that the 360 will be produce in 65nm soon.
I haven't given my opinion, just linked a PR.
My opinion is that Ms will come with a hdmi 360, but maybe later than the rumours would want to make you believe.
ANd it doesn't change the fact that the 360 will be produce in 65nm soon.
No liolio, that was just a rhetorical question 
If they have such an advanced "test unit", a HDMI equipped xbox360 must be coming, and I personally belioeve it'll be pretty soon even.
Of course they say no such thing is coming, that would only slow down sales of the non HDMI equipped xb360.
If they have such an advanced "test unit", a HDMI equipped xbox360 must be coming, and I personally belioeve it'll be pretty soon even.
Of course they say no such thing is coming, that would only slow down sales of the non HDMI equipped xb360.
+1, Ms doesn't want to scare consumers or push them to delay theirs purchases.No liolio, that was just a rhetorical question
If they have such an advanced "test unit", a HDMI equipped xbox360 must be coming, and I personally belioeve it'll be pretty soon even.
Of course they say no such thing is coming, that would only slow down sales of the non HDMI equipped xb360.
Joe DeFuria
Legend
I agree that a high-def AV receiver pretty much required HDMI. Thus, I believe that the 360 will start to appear with that port at about the same time that IPTV services start to use it. In fact, 360s with HDMI ports may end up being "OEM" versions of the 360.
They already do. See Xbox HD-DVD add-on.
I do agree that at some point in the future, HDMI will be essentially a "required" feature. However, what makes this particular HD console era different, is that the vast majority of existing display devices do not support HDMI, and you can in fact get HD displayed using the "current" (component) solution.
In other words, at this time, HDMI doesn't really get you much.
The end result...I'm not expecting to see HDMI on the 360 until late this year.
We're still many years away from the "brink"...
scooby_dooby
Legend
Obviously it will, since 50% of the HD-DVD market in the US consists of add-on drives that do not support HDMI.
Joe's comments are bang on, HDMI will matter alot more in a couple years when the majority of sets in households actually support it. Right now, it's not an issue for the majority of HDTV owners.
Having an HDMI cable available adds no cost (assuming it's possible), and quite likely makes money considering the margin on most accessories. Adding a port definitely costs money, although you're right that it's probably marginal. But more compelling than the cost issue is the fact that you don't end up splitting the userbase. Introducing an HDMI equipped SKU will no doubt cause at least some grumbling among current owners (as evidenced by this thread), and even with the release of an HDMI cable, I would still predict grumbling (e.g. "they got it for free, while we have to pay for it").
Sure, you could make an argument that they should release both (if possible), but I would say your assertion that it "in no way affects" it is false. Just my .02, and I suspect it's all moot since I sincerely doubt there's a cable forthcoming in any case.
Perhaps 'plummet' is too strong a word. But still, it's not really about the importance or demand for HDMI. It's more about the fact that if people knew another "better" SKU was coming soon, they would sit on the fence and wait for it. Early adopters and the "hardcore" presumably already have their boxes, and we are no longer in the holiday season, so unless there's another extremely compelling reason to buy (e.g. Halo 3), I could see a lot of people holding off on their purchases.
Then again, I may also be overestimating the public's attention span for this sort of news. I still say the net effect would be non-zero, although maybe not quite as dramatic as I made it out to be. In any case, the point remains the same: MS would be silly to announce it now unless it was ready now, that's the bottom line.
inefficient
Veteran
Well there is a time to let go and move on...
That 15pin D-sub connector is from the 70's. And the D-Sub connector has been used for video output since the mid 80's. It's amazing it still can get the job done. Truly space age technology!
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And that time isn't yet. Look around and you'll see that there are actually more and more TV's being sold now with a VGA connector, something that couldn't have been said a few year back (when CRT's where in prevelance). Many, many laptops still come with only a VGA output for external video connection, purely because of the form factor of the connectors. You'll probably not see VGA dying off until a.) all analogue displays are cleared out of the market and b.) Display port is fully adopted and has a large market presense.
DVI-to-VGA adaptor can do the job anyway...
Not necessarily. DVI has the optional capability to carry an analogue, VGA signal, but that is, in effect, VGA. However, this is optional - if the DVI input is DVI-D only, then it can't accept the analgue single so the adapter is useless. Believe me, I'd have loved to have been playing my 360 on my Dell 30" panel prior to getting my 40" HDTV, however with only DVI-D inputs there was no possability of doing so.
You're saying an HDMI-equipped 360 SKU means that Microsoft won't make an HDMI adapter for existing consoles. Your argument for this was that if this were possible they wouldn't have made the new SKU and would have just made and sold the adapter. I don't agree. Having it integrated is preferable over having everyone who wants the output to have to buy an accessory, especially since the demand for this connection is only going to grow over time. So the existence of the new SKU doesn't really say anything about whether an accessory can or will happen. I'm not saying it will, I'm just saying I have yet to see anything that gives a strong indication it won't either. Yet.
They might, but obviously the clear and obvious lack of HDMI wasn't a deterrant at the time they bought the console. So how could you complain when you got exactly what you paid for?
But you still haven't addressed the cost part of my argument. Anyway, we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one.
I agree; they shouldn't have any reason to complain. But you go ahead and reason with them all you like, and they'll be there nonetheless. It's just human nature.
Well, I think that tells more about the overall sales of HD-DVD than anything else.
It's an issue as much as the 720p on old 1080i only sets is an issue with PS3, only this is more of a future issue.
HDDVD outsold Blu-Ray massively at every stage pre-PS3.
Of course Blu-Ray can claim an edge now..but it's sort of artificial.
I bet if I go look at amazon the top titles will still be HDDVD though.
