Elite includes the 3 rings of death too...

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Only problem is that there were lot's of stuff in your post that aren't facts...

If you claim that something isn't a fact, you should point them all out, not just make a godly claim that they are.

I wan't you to break down this poll on this board and proove that it's inaccurate and why. Unless you can't do that in a convincing manner I'm going to hold onto my line of thinking.

And this is where you show that your not understanding my post, because primarily i wanted to just write up why using poll numbers to get statistical data is useless, not so much if the X360's die a lot or not because they are definitely dying at a higher rate than normal, but i can certainly prove to you that the poll on this board is inaccurate.


1. Sample size out of 10 000 000 consoles, you would need far more than 100 consoles, to have any number thats has a statistical value. A bare minimum of sample size required to get a result that can be said as 95% accurate would in this case (roughly calculated) be around 16.000 (assuming the consoles for the sample are the average of all consoles in terms of how old and how used they are)

2. Poll not accounting for multiple consoles\multiple replacements: Some people own more than 1 console, others own only one, but has had it replaced several time, others again has had 1 brake down and then received a proper working console, the number of working consoles thats missing from this is HUGE, because everybody that has had a console for repair, has a new refurbished working one. (assuming it didn't break down again, etc)

3. The Beyond 3D userbase is not an average representation of the console userbase as a whole. There is much more people who bought their consoles at launch\ near launch than in the average console population. Launch consoles are probably going to crap out on you more often than a console bought in december 2006.

I could keep going, but i think i've already made my point.


my line of thinking, in which the accurate number is not as important as the fact that they are breaking left and right.

Oh and your line of thinking is making up a 20% number based on some finish poll, which certainly isn't accurate as well. Analysing something, if the numbers are flawed to begin with, is a waste of time, no matter how much time and work you put into it, your numbers aren't going to be correct anyway.
 
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The Elite seems like a good idea for the U.S. but outside of that it just seems like MS wants a SKU that gives the uninfomed consumer the impression they are getting a system with the same capabilities as the PS3 for less money. Ignoring to tell them of course that you can't play HD movies.
 
The Elite seems like a good idea for the U.S. but outside of that it just seems like MS wants a SKU that gives the uninfomed consumer the impression they are getting a system with the same capabilities as the PS3 for less money. Ignoring to tell them of course that you can't play HD movies.
You mean can't play HD movies from a disc. You can still download and play them.

Why you think Microsoft should tell consumers about this shortcoming on a videogame console is beyond me.

The Elite model is just there to take away some marketing power from the PS3, like when they say HDMI is the future and only PS3 has it, or that the base PS3 is far superior to the best XB360 (okay, that's not important now that it's discontinued, but you get my point). It's there to show people you can spend $479 for features like the big HDD, 1080p HDMI, etc that Sony is hyping or you can spend $299 for nearly the same gaming experience.

I also think the Elite will eventually replace the Premium, or the Premium will be upgraded to specs similar to those of the Elite.
 
My theory is that the Elite is there to pull buyers from the core to the Premium, using a decoy effect (link).

The system is clearly designed to hit certain bullet points at retail to compete with the high end impression the PS3 leaves as a stand alone machine,but at a lower price. It's a little deceptive, I'm sure intentionally so.
 
You mean can't play HD movies from a disc. You can still download and play them.
Only if you live in the US,hence my comment about the US.
Why you think Microsoft should tell consumers about this shortcoming on a videogame console is beyond me.
I never said they had tod,I just think they should. The impression that the inclusion of the bigger HDD and HDMI leaves is clear.Unfortunately outside the US the 360 as a stand alone machine doesn't live up to that impression.
The Elite model is just there to take away some marketing power from the PS3,
Exactly,it's all about bullet points.
like when they say HDMI is the future and only PS3 has it, or that the base PS3 is far superior to the best XB360 (okay, that's not important now that it's discontinued, but you get my point). It's there to show people you can spend $479 for features like the big HDD, 1080p HDMI, etc that Sony is hyping or you can spend $299 for nearly the same gaming experience.
The Elite isn't being sold as a gaming only experience though. It's a half measure and I'm not that impressed.
I also think the Elite will eventually replace the Premium, or the Premium will be upgraded to specs similar to those of the Elite.
Possibly.
 
I never said they had tod,I just think they should.


You think Microsoft should tell the consumer about their products shortcomings?

What kind of logic is behind this? Why would anybody want to enlighten a possible buyer of their products shortcomings. Might as well just start paying for PS3 adds.
 
You think Microsoft should tell the consumer about their products shortcomings?

What kind of logic is behind this? Why would anybody want to enlighten a possible buyer of their products shortcomings. Might as well just start paying for PS3 adds.

In this particular case I think they should be more clear yes. In general no.
 
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