Nope , real question is what is the REAL fault rate ? ... You really believe that % 3-5 rate bs ?..
Lol, I am talking about the xbox360 Elite version fault rate (is there any report yet?)!
Lol, I am talking about the xbox360 Elite version fault rate (is there any report yet?)!
crystalcube
Newcomer
its actually a feature, Elite is "Bug Compatible" with previous version
Someone want to explain what the "3 rings of death" are?
It's more like the xbox360 power light blinking red 3 times to signal that there is a problem with the console.
Bigus Dickus
Regular
Right, and there is no sample bias error in such a poll?
People who don't know a thing about stastics but trying to use them are only slightly less dangerous than people who do.
It is nothing to do with statistics, obviously without access to the customer database and a random phone poll nobody but microsoft knows the statistical failure rate. BUT, everyone can see the *extraordinary* number of reports of *sequential* failures of the xbox 360 reported on *every single xbox forum* by *multiple* users and only a fool or someone with blinkers on would refuse to acknowledge that this console clearly has a big reliability problem (compared to the Wii and the PS3 and DS and PSP and even a bog standard dell PC). And the reliability issue is being contained only be generous and expensive return policies and warranty extensions offered by microsoft which doesn't seem to mind losing 100s of millions per year for as long as it takes, in order to gain market share.
If you pop your head into the official Xbox forums which are overun by loyalist who rarely say anything ill about MS or the 360 will still report about their 2nd, 3rd, 4th, etc. 360 to die. If these people complain in droves, I think there is a problem.
We also know that MS extended their warranty to 1 year (from 90 days) and lost over $100 million extra in replacement cost one quarter. I'd say they are getting more than the expected 360 deaths.
I'm still on my first 360, but I have had a few "Disc not readable" errors and will replace it under the BB service plan before it runs out.
Sound_Card
Regular
What's wrong is basing info from forum polls and threads. With that said, I don't think anyone here in the right mind would argue and say that the 360 is a flawless build. Things however can be blown out of proportions on forums considering that it's one of the first places to go when someone is having trouble.
Obviously, MS know's thier is a failure rate issue(3%-5% is still alot as someone already pointed out) and hence why they have extended the warrenty to two years.
Obviously, MS know's thier is a failure rate issue(3%-5% is still alot as someone already pointed out) and hence why they have extended the warrenty to two years.
"Nerve-Damage"
Regular
Considering the high numbers of failures i think Microsoft has gotten of easily. And as others pointes out, no we don´t have hard numbers on anything. But considering the number of people who have had not one or two or three 360´s fail on them but 4 5 6 and 7! i think the statistic nerds can tell us that with a failure rate of 3% the chance of someone having 5 failures is low and the chance of several people having 5 faillures is even lower?
DuckThor Evil
Legend
No I don't think we knew that, probably because it quite likely isn't true...
http://www.konsolifin.net/bbs/showthread.php?t=34661
I have posted this survey from a finnish gaming site before. (All the necessary info is on the first post of that thread) Right now it shows 145 boxes broken out of 397 which translates to 37% and while it's definately not a scientific research, the sample size is imo big enough that this 3-5% talk can be thrown into a trash can. I think even Microsoft has admitted that the real number is bigger than 3-5% which they originally stated it to be.
If you think you can rely on an informal internet survey from internet gaming sites for any type of reliable evidence, you are highly mistaken.
Do you think that such polls even attempt to eliminate variables that can affect the validility of their results? They don't.
What the likelihood that the forum polls account for things like motivation, honesty and the difference between people who responded to the poll and the people who didn't respond? None.
Give me a hundred dollars for my time and create a poll for broken xbox 360 and lets see if I can raise the 360s' failure rate for b3d users above 100%.
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Again, in and of themselves internet polls are no use. But as a comparative measure, they are fine. The same rules apply to posts about busted XB360's as busted Wii's. busted PSPs, busted PS2s, etc. It's the same demographic posting/voting, with the same average trends in use. There's no reason to think posts or votes or anecdotes of XB360 being dodgy will be less reliable as the same info on PS3 and Wii. If on a board of 1000 users, 30 say their XB360 has died 4x, 3 say their PS3 has died, and none say their Wii has died, taking in account relative sales of consoles and uptake on the board, you'd see a reliable, though not numerically accurate, indicator that XB360 has a higher failure rate.
Just looking at this board, we have numberous posters commenting on busted XB360's including multiple boxes, and we've had how many problems reported with PS3 and Wii? Unless you think all the PS3 and Wii owners hold their tongue, or the remarks on XB360 are made up, this board shows there's a larger reliability issue with XB360.
DuckThor Evil
Legend
I think you are highly mistaken if after everything we have seen you believe that 3-5%, all I'm saying is that the real number is bigger than that. The fact is that the information behind that link wasn't a poll in its strictest sense. It requires a registration and a post. It's fairly easy to check the post histories of the participants and see who are "real" X360 owners with problems and who are suspects I have browsed through that thread and peoples post histories and I can vouch for it's authenticity. Most of the guys posting there are not frauds.
Of course there are many variable that still needs to be taken into account, but that number points to a direction and that direction says that lot's of boxes have broken and that they are still breaking, I questimated a number of 20% and yeah it's just quess, but I'm holding onto it.
