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Well there will always be faulty models of [insert name of any electronic product]. But the real question is what is the fault rate?
Fu3lFr3nzy
Regular
There will continually be dead X360 consoles until MS decides to take out the X-Clamps, among other things.
Even 65nm wont save the console now
Even 65nm wont save the console now
Nope , real question is what is the REAL fault rate ? ... You really believe that % 3-5 rate bs ?..
Rainbow Man
Veteran
I think blaming it on the clamps is wrong.
PS3 has the same type of clamps on its major chips. Heard any horror stories caused by clamps there? No..
It's probably likely that the "ring of death" (which isn't actually a ring but whatever) has several different causes rather than just one common.
Besides.. No wonder that elite threw up three red lights! jUst look at the sun trying to push in through those blinds. It's a lovely day outside and the guy turns on his xbox!
Go outside for god's sake!
Peace.
Nope , real question is what is the REAL fault rate ? ... You really believe that % 3-5 rate bs ?..
3 to 5% would be 300k to 500k of 10 million systems... Sounds believable to me.
Also, Microsoft has admitted that the early units had a higher than normal fail rate, which is why they extended their warranty. Hopefully they have gotten the fail rate under control.
Fu3lFr3nzy
Regular
I think that's way too low as you can see by several polls in various forums (made myself one here where you can easily add one more "0" to that figure.
Personally i know nobody (including myself) who did not yet exchange his Xbox 360 for a new one because of these problems (Drive, RRoD).
NovemberMike
Regular
I am sorry, but straw polls and testimonials are probably the two most unscientific and unreliable ways of gaining data. I personally know nobody that has had a broken 360 (and mine has been working for a year). Does that mean that none of them break?
DuckThor Evil
Legend
I believe the failure rate could be as high as 20% and even higher for the early units. Mine is still working without problems though (launch day unit)
Though generally true, if your sample base is the same, the relative results should be indicative. If we ask on this forum who's had a dead XB360 after 6 months, and then ask who's had a dead PS3 in that time, and we make sure there's enough owners of said console to be statistically relevant, we can get a comparative breakdown rate. It won't tell us what percentage of XB360s are dying, but it will show if more die than other consoles (can also reference last-gen too)
NovemberMike
Regular
...so lucky of you two to meet here!
Sorry, I just hate it when people try to be armchair statisticians. It reminds me of the idiots who created a Simpson's paradox at Stanford when they said women were less likely to be accepted (they were more likely in reality, they just applied to harder schools). Unless you have a good random study, the results are completely worthless for any kind of argument.
So can you tell me the ratio of 360 to PS3 owners on this site (or any other site for that matter) that will answer the question? And how many people own 360s and go on the internet as opposed to the PS3?
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I don't know what the rate is (don't care) but i'm on my 4th (!) model. And my "new" model (2006-03-24) is giving me random "disc is unreadable" errors.Nope , real question is what is the REAL fault rate ? ... You really believe that % 3-5 rate bs ?..
I know that in the Netherlands a consumer television program "kassa" has received about 10.000 complaints.
It's a shame really because when the unit is working, its a very good machine !
archangelmorph
Veteran
I just got mine on friday.. fingers crossed it's been ok so far...
inefficient
Veteran
PS3 clamps are actually quite different.
From what I've seen, on the 360 the heat sinks are literally "hanging on" to the motherboard. It creates a tension on the actual PCB. You also have to be concerned that the weight of the heatsinks will create even more tension when the system is in the vertical position.
On the PS3, the giant heat sink is actually fills the entire base of the system. The motherboard sits on top of it. All the main chips are facing downward (When the PS3 is horizontal). This is something that people with a PC background will find unexpected. The 360 heat sink set up is much more like a traditional PC setup.
There are just 2 pretty low tension clamps underneath the motherboard. And they don't touch the PCB itself. there is a large metal spreader between the PCB and the cooling solution. These 2 little clips apply just a little bit of force where the heatsink touches the face of the Cell and RSX packaging. Only 4 screws. Because this is not what is holding the heatsink to the mobo.
The whole thing is like a sandwich. The cooling system is at the bottom, then a metal spreader, a mobo in the middle, another metal spreader, then the power supply BD drive and etc go on top. Then there are many screws that hold the whole thing together inside the plastic housing of the PS3.
xbox360 setup for comparison
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