Dell to use AMD chips!! (official)
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As a consumer you want to pay more? Because that is what would happen if AMD were to become a monopoly. Not to mention AMD has committed some of its own shady acts in the past.Sobek said:It may be Dell, but i'll take anything that involves AMD increasing it's marketshare with a smile. This is once corporate giant i'm more than happy to have monopolise the market.
The_Wolf_Who_Cried_Boy
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Skrying said:
4-socket Core-2 wont be available until 2-H 2007. I think this desicion is Dell acepting the reality that AMD will continue dominance in that sector into the medium term. They can jump aboard or loose out to HP, IBM and Sun.
Deja vu, i heard this before. Believe it when i see it!
Regardless the damage may already be done. 3-4 months and Conroe goes into full swing which dominates any chip AMD can pump out now or known for the next 12 months clock for clock. 500 dollar conroe way surpases the 1000 dollar AMD chips let alone the 250 and 300 dollar models. So gaming superiority unfortunetly wont be on AMDs good side anymore. I hope they sell more the Opteron based systems though. If this had happened a year or two ago AMD would be in a much better position in my opinion. Though major OEM sales is good no matter what, but they(Dell) wont sell as many with the threat of Conroe and Merom.
Regardless the damage may already be done. 3-4 months and Conroe goes into full swing which dominates any chip AMD can pump out now or known for the next 12 months clock for clock. 500 dollar conroe way surpases the 1000 dollar AMD chips let alone the 250 and 300 dollar models. So gaming superiority unfortunetly wont be on AMDs good side anymore. I hope they sell more the Opteron based systems though. If this had happened a year or two ago AMD would be in a much better position in my opinion. Though major OEM sales is good no matter what, but they(Dell) wont sell as many with the threat of Conroe and Merom.
Neither company should dominate. That is the least ideal situation for the consumer. I want to see the two companies locked in a life and death struggle like ATI and NV lol. Look at the insanity coming out of those two as they rabidly grasp for straws in an attempt to get any edge.
In the meantime we have a monstrous selection of cards, with some crazy deals if you look at the right rebranded high end model lol.
In the meantime we have a monstrous selection of cards, with some crazy deals if you look at the right rebranded high end model lol.
SugarCoat said:
That's interesting, as I've never before heard of Dell officially announcing inside its SEC financial statements that it was going to sell AMD cpus of any description in any product. I think that what you heard before were rumors to the effect that Dell might be picking up AMD. This isn't a rumor, as it comes from Dell itself. AMD has issued a press release about it. It's a fact.
Let me just stop you right here...
Nobody knows as of this date when Conroe will ship, in what quantities Conroe will ship, and what the real performance of Conroe will be. As well, nobody knows at the moment what cpus and bus technology Conroe will face from AMD when Conroe does ship. Don't you think it might have been a lot smarter for Intel to just go ahead and ship Conroe--instead of shipping a bunch of advance PR about Conroe, instead? Certainly makes me wonder...I'll remind you that Intel issued the very same kind of pre-shipping advance publicity about Prescott that it has done for Conroe, and Prescott was supposed to blow away Athlon, too. As we all know, the reality was that it was Prescott, not the Athlon, that got blown away in the end--and blown away by Intel itself, no less, after Intel discovered the architecture to be a dead end from a manufacturing perspective.
IMO, talking up Conroe at the moment is exactly like counting your chickens before they hatch...
Maybe Conroe will be all that you think it is, maybe it won't. Time will tell.I havent personally owned a non-amd computer in a while now. I love the company, but unfortunatly the writing is on the wall. Conroe is going to steam roll over AM2. Ive been following both chips over at the H forums and people who are in the know, are betting on conroe this time out.WaltC said:IMO, talking up Conroe at the moment is exactly like counting your chickens before they hatch...
epic
Well, as dual Opterons beat dual Xeons at this moment by about 30% in server applications while they're about as fast in synthetic benchmarks (with even a small lead for the Xeons), I sure hope Conroe is about 30% faster than Opterons in those synthetic benchmarks. To level the playing field.
As for the consumer models: anyone who buys something faster than the cheapest one isn't getting any bang for their buck as it stands. Look at the current Semprons:
- All 64 bit
- All with dual-channel HyperTransport support (requires socket 939)
- All with 128 kb L1 cache
- All with support for SSE2 and SSE3
They are only a few percent slower than Athlons (on the same socket) in typical applications, and beat all comparable Intel chips (but the P-M at the same speed, although that one isn't 64 bit) according to their rating. While being about the cheapest you can get.
As soon as AMD updates to DDR2, they will even give a Conroe a good run for the money.
As for the consumer models: anyone who buys something faster than the cheapest one isn't getting any bang for their buck as it stands. Look at the current Semprons:
- All 64 bit
- All with dual-channel HyperTransport support (requires socket 939)
- All with 128 kb L1 cache
- All with support for SSE2 and SSE3
They are only a few percent slower than Athlons (on the same socket) in typical applications, and beat all comparable Intel chips (but the P-M at the same speed, although that one isn't 64 bit) according to their rating. While being about the cheapest you can get.
As soon as AMD updates to DDR2, they will even give a Conroe a good run for the money.
Blazkowicz
Legend
DiGuru said:Well, as dual Opterons beat dual Xeons at this moment by about 30% in server applications while they're about as fast in synthetic benchmarks (with even a small lead for the Xeons), I sure hope Conroe is about 30% faster than Opterons in those synthetic benchmarks. To level the playing field.
As for the consumer models: anyone who buys something faster than the cheapest one isn't getting any bang for their buck as it stands. Look at the current Semprons:
- All 64 bit
- All with dual-channel HyperTransport support (requires socket 939)
- All with 128 kb L1 cache
- All with support for SSE2 and SSE3
They are only a few percent slower than Athlons (on the same socket) in typical applications, and beat all comparable Intel chips (but the P-M at the same speed, although that one isn't 64 bit) according to their rating. While being about the cheapest you can get.
As soon as AMD updates to DDR2, they will even give a Conroe a good run for the money.
some with 256K L2 (so, difference with 512K athlon is peanuts). they are also low power and 1.6Ghz is much lower than what the core can do.. so big free overclocking.
Yes, that's the chip to get now, even on the "dated" socket 754 (which is not more short-lived than 939, really). on Am2 socket it will be the same thing but with a guaranteed upgrade path to 65nm AMD CPUs.
ANova said:
Well, what's not in front of me (or the general public) yet, is Conroe. To suggest otherwise is, well, the same as to suggest that "preliminary benchmarks" are the same thing as Conroe itself. I'll wait until I can see the chip instead of some "preliminary benchmarks" which supposedly describe the cpu's performance. My own thought is that if Intel could ship Conroe it would be doing so *now,* well ahead of publishing "preliminary benchmarks" for it. But that's just me...
chavvdarrr
Veteran
What puzzles me is why Intel made that PR-action with Conroe ... supposedly that killed any near-term sells of P4 core (except 805D which is nicely priced).ANova said:
Or, their intention was to persuade everybody not to upgrade to AMD system in near future!?
Maybe they didnt want to take it in the chin with the dell/amd announcement, so to pre-empt bad news on top of bad news, let some good news slip about conroe. Many analysts are predicting intel is going sub 16.chavvdarrr said:
On top of that cramer doesnt like the stock.epic
Woodcrest previewed...
http://www.techreport.com/etc/2006q2/woodcrest/index.x?pg=1
So far it would appear intel will be faster than amd untill amd has a real answer in both server and workstation markets, and by no small margin either.
http://www.techreport.com/etc/2006q2/woodcrest/index.x?pg=1
So far it would appear intel will be faster than amd untill amd has a real answer in both server and workstation markets, and by no small margin either.
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