DC Comics or Marvel?

[London Geezer]

Go on people, the choice is yours.

Personally i've always been a DC guy. I recently bought the Special Edition of Kingdom Come, and it's the best self-concluding comic book i've ever read in my life. From the quality of the drawings to the storyline, it was a complete WOW for me.

Or am i the only geek into comics here?

(I left anime and "others" out, since i just want to know the contrast between marvel guys and DC guys, I have been reading Anime since before i could read )

 

[jvd]

Dc is the best. Marvel trys to be to edgy and dark and comes out sucking bad. Only good comic in the last few years is exiles. Thor is decent and so is spiderman. Although i really feel marvel should be renamed x-tittles because they produce 4-5 x-men or xmen spin offs a week compared to 4 of other tittles a week. So at least half of what they make are x men tittles.

Dc has something for everyone . They have sci fi covered with green lantern (my fav) . They have almost god like heros like superman. They have rich playboy heros like batman , they have fantsy heros like dr fate . They have great team books like teen titans and jsa .

They are really doing great right now. sure they have some crap (aquaman) but they have a stronger line up than marvel .

 

[London Geezer]

Yes, I don't know what it is, but DC comics have always ben more appealing to me than Marvel.

Especially Superman, which, as over-the-top as the whole idea is, is just fantastic. I think that having the most important characters from their universes made "gods" helps the feeling of unity in the universe itself. Kingdom Come was a real eye opener for me. Some of the storylines they come up to are just out of this world. Anyone remember Time crisis crossovers?

How about the many "Death of..." crossovers... Whenever a BIG character died, they did it as a crossover. That is very good to ensure the DC Universe is well recognised.

What was the name of that 10-15 year old saga, the one where Supergirl and Flash died? Gosh i can't remember........

 

[Silent_One]

Well, I'm a old Marvel guy from long ago. Although I'm not current with either DC or Marvel I've always prefered Marvel. My collection consists of Marvel comics from the 60's & 70's, although nowadays I do pick up an odd comic here and there. I prefered the Fantastic 4, Silver Surfer, and the Hulk. It's been a while though.....

 

[John Reynolds]

Well, I'm a old Marvel guy from long ago. Although I'm not current with either DC or Marvel I've always prefered Marvel. My collection consists of Marvel comics from the 60's & 70's, although nowadays I do pick up an odd comic here and there. I prefered the Fantastic 4, Silver Surfer, and the Hulk. It's been a while though.....

I was a huge FF nut, collecting until I had them all except for issues 1-3. Had a complete run of X-men too. On the flip side, I didn't own a single DC book.

 

[jvd]

Yes, I don't know what it is, but DC comics have always ben more appealing to me than Marvel.

Especially Superman, which, as over-the-top as the whole idea is, is just fantastic. I think that having the most important characters from their universes made "gods" helps the feeling of unity in the universe itself. Kingdom Come was a real eye opener for me. Some of the storylines they come up to are just out of this world. Anyone remember Time crisis crossovers?

How about the many "Death of..." crossovers... Whenever a BIG character died, they did it as a crossover. That is very good to ensure the DC Universe is well recognised.

What was the name of that 10-15 year old saga, the one where Supergirl and Flash died? Gosh i can't remember........

Honsetly get your hands on green lanter tpbs there are a ton of good ones the tittle 9 times out or 12 is awsome with the rest being good. Justice society is also almost allways great. Teen titans is only up to like issue 5 i think but its a really good read. It has robin , superboy , kid flash and wonder girl in there as new heros (well kinda new) and they have cyborg , beast boy and um... forgot her name oh yea star fire as the old teen titans training the new. Lots of great themes in the book .

Superman has been bad this year but it came off a good 3 year run so i can't complain. Dr fate just started issue 3 or 4 and its been a solid read too .

 

[Silent_One]

John wrote:

I was a huge FF nut, collecting until I had them all except for issues 1-3.

I have about 40-45 of their early issues (No.s 40 to 90 or so). God I loved them back then, the style of their (Marvel's) drawing and writing. Galactus, Silver Surfer, The Watcher, and the better part of my youth are but a happy memory now!

Had a complete run of X-men too.

Never got into them. Don't know why.

 

[London Geezer]

Yes, I don't know what it is, but DC comics have always ben more appealing to me than Marvel.

Especially Superman, which, as over-the-top as the whole idea is, is just fantastic. I think that having the most important characters from their universes made "gods" helps the feeling of unity in the universe itself. Kingdom Come was a real eye opener for me. Some of the storylines they come up to are just out of this world. Anyone remember Time crisis crossovers?

How about the many "Death of..." crossovers... Whenever a BIG character died, they did it as a crossover. That is very good to ensure the DC Universe is well recognised.

What was the name of that 10-15 year old saga, the one where Supergirl and Flash died? Gosh i can't remember........

Honsetly get your hands on green lanter tpbs there are a ton of good ones the tittle 9 times out or 12 is awsome with the rest being good. Justice society is also almost allways great. Teen titans is only up to like issue 5 i think but its a really good read. It has robin , superboy , kid flash and wonder girl in there as new heros (well kinda new) and they have cyborg , beast boy and um... forgot her name oh yea star fire as the old teen titans training the new. Lots of great themes in the book .

Superman has been bad this year but it came off a good 3 year run so i can't complain. Dr fate just started issue 3 or 4 and its been a solid read too .

Yes, Superman would go from long boring periods to HUGE sagas that would just blow me away and would last for ages! The death of Superman and subsequent resurrection lasted for months, and the consequences were much deeper...

I LOVED Superboy (the one generated after the death of superman)... I also loved the Eradicator, also generated after the death of Superman...

 

[jvd]

if you love superboy then get the teen titans there are only 6 issues so you haven't missed much and you should still be able to find all 6. Its the only story he is in . Right now he living with the kents and is romanticly linked to wonder girl

 

[SMarth]

IMO in the world of super-heroes MARVEL kill DC.

There's better stories and vilains and greater fantasy and consistencies in the Marvel universe which also hold itself together much better then the DC universe ever has. Maybe because the Marvel universe was mostly created and under the control of essentially one person (Stan Lee) from the 60s to the 80s.

Don't take me wrong, I like DC super-heroes like the Titans from the 80s and also the Legion from about that same period. And of course Superman is the ultimate super-hero, and Batman is.... well Batman, and I always had a thing for Supergirl and Wonder Woman. But even when you add The Flash, Green Lantern, JLA and the others and you put that against the Marvel super-heroes like Spider-Man, Deradevil, Captain America, Iron-Man, Thor, Hulk, Avengers, Fanstastic Four, X-Men, Silver Surfer, Doctor Strange, Punisher, Ghost Rider and others. The DC characters and stories don't even come close to MARVEL.

That said, I don't buy comics anymore, stopped in around 1994. Costed too much for the fun they gave me. These days I get them on the Net, yeah, yeah, don't bother telling me how wrong it is 8)

On the other end I discovered manga like 3 years ago and I enjoy them a LOT more then super-heroes comics.

Also, there's always been more to comics then just super-heroes, by example, recently I read The Preacher (from DC) and that was really, really good. Okay, the writer overused violence, bad language and did everything to NOT be politically correct. And the characters could've been a little bit smarter, but still, that was pretty good. Religious people should NOT read this comic, though

And finally, I always loved the euro-french BD, like Spirou, Asterix, Gaston, Tintin and all the other classic. Been a long time since I've read one though.

 

[jvd]

There's better stories and vilains and greater fantasy and consistencies in the Marvel universe which also hold itself together much better then the DC universe ever has. Maybe because the Marvel universe was mostly created and under the control of essentially one person (Stan Lee) from the 60s to the 80s.

Yea okay. Thats why the time travel storys from x men should have happened and yet they haven't. Thast why phonix died and came back as the summers daughter and she died and yet now jena grey or whatever is phonix again. Or how magneto has died about 60 times already.

Marvel holds together much worse. At least dc has a reboot every 20 years to fix plot holes and what not

 

[SMarth]

Yea okay. Thats why the time travel storys from x men should have happened and yet they haven't.

Timelines changes with time travel, and there's an infinite numbers of probable timelines 8)

Thast why phonix died and came back as the summers daughter and she died and yet now jena grey or whatever is phonix again.

Phoenix (the entity) cannot died and never did. When the Jean "replicant" body was destroyed the force just returned to it's cosmic state (possibly in the sun). As for Rachel (or maddy) she has the genetic code of her mother and so an affinity with the phoenix cosmic force. As to how that force is related to Jean, that's yet to be told.

Seriously, you can take just about any DC or Marvel titles and you'll find out thousands of inconsistensies. I was refering as the entire universe, not to individual story plot that change from one writer to the next. That's just comic book after all.

Or how magneto has died about 60 times already.

You could say that to just about every major villains from DC or Marvel. Beside who told you they really died ?

Marvel holds together much worse. At least dc has a reboot every 20 years to fix plot holes and what not

As an old reader of both DC and Marvel for over two decades I think I know their universe pretty well. But you're entitled to your opinion just as I am.

 

[London Geezer]

Timelines changes with time travel, and there's an infinite numbers of probable timelines 8)

Phoenix (the entity) cannot died and never did. When the Jean "replicant" body was destroyed the force just returned to it's cosmic state (possibly in the sun). As for Rachel (or maddy) she has the genetic code of her mother and so an affinity with the phoenix cosmic force. As to how that force is related to Jean, that's yet to be told.

Seriously, you can take just about any DC or Marvel titles and you'll find out thousands of inconsistensies. I was refering as the entire universe, not to individual story plot that change from one writer to the next. That's just comic book after all.


You could say that to just about every major villains from DC or Marvel. Beside who told you they really died ?


As an old reader of both DC and Marvel for over two decades I think I know their universe pretty well. But you're entitled to your opinion just as I am.

mmmm... Superman, THE biggest character DC has ever had, "only" died once... Unless i've missed something in the last 3 years that is. The Death of Superman was one of the single best sagas in the 90's. Also, DC characters die once never to come back, and if they do it is ONCE, or because they never died. Supergirl died and stayed dead (the "current" Supergirl is not the real Supergirl, it's just an alien entity capable of taking any form that took her place after the real one's death...). She (or should i say IT) has very different powers too, not being from Kripton of course...

I mean, even BUFFY has died like three times (OK it's 2 and a half)...

 

[Neeyik]

How about an option for "Read comics but not DC or Marvel"? Oh I know that this is not what the thread is about but I was a huge 2000AD and Dr Who comics fan when I was younger; I never really got into any of the American ones much.

 

[London Geezer]

I know, i was actually going to put an *others* option, but the the thread would have become about Anime, which i must say are on average MUCH more interesting than most american comics...

Any news on the next wave of comics-based big budget movies?

 

[cthellis42]

I know, i was actually going to put an *others* option, but the the thread would have become about Anime, which i must say are on average MUCH more interesting than most american comics...

You mean manga. And yes, it probably would have. I was pretty much Marvel and assorted independants until I started in on manga, at which point it rather consumed all my other comic-buying habits. (Though I kept up with Bone for a while.) When I started up, the DC universe was just rather "blah" and after a while you just get used to reading from one continuity and continue on inside it because everything you read tends to enhance everything else. Started with Silver Surfer and moved outwards a bit after the Atlantis Attacks arc. Was a HUGE New Universe fan when it started up, or at least of DP7 and others through it. Mark Gruenwald was--how shall we say--the shiznit. Was annoyed when it was all scrapped... it was a great way to bring in new and interesting characters and ramp down the absurd power levels of most things. Wandered over to mutant-land for a while, and Image when it started up (and basically because Jim Lee moved over there, and his art made me all gooey inside)... All in all, a lot of meandering. Hehe. Someday I'll have to sort everything in chronological order and re-visit. ^_^ As it is, I pretty much vacated mainstream american comics after the Apocalypse crossovers... <shrugs> Ron Lim probably remains my favorite artist of true "comic book" stylings.

You can blame Rumiko Takahashi for my full-force conversion, though. I'd already been watching anime for years but was ignoring the manga, but the moment I read the first Ranma graphic novel the manga form pretty much trumped everything else! And looking to my right at the full bookshelf of manga (translated and not) and art books, it's unlikely to ever change. Hehe...

 

[London Geezer]

Right, it was gonna happen sooner or later, might as well start now.

MANGA... (sorry about the anime thing, always get them 2 confused, never know which one is the videos and which one is the comics )

I know it's very geeky...

but...

As anyone ever read the fantastic, awesome, unbelievable series called "Saint Seiya"? (it was in the 80s - early 90s)

I think that is my personal single most favourite piece of "anything" i have ever ever read in my entire life. I used to live for that, and i've read the whole series countless times (the mangas were longer and went further than the TV series, which was still far better than anything out at the time). Storyline was just mindblowing, especially the last saga (Ades) which was never converted into the TV series...

Please... ANYONE... tell me i'm not the only one...

 

[cthellis42]

I've watched some of Saint Seiya, but not all of it. (Nor even much of it.) At the time I didn't find it too fascinating to search out more (nor did I have a friend with a lot of it, since I'll pretty much watch anything that's available ^_^ ), and it hasn't been picked up even now by anyone I know of. I guess fansubs to the rescue! Hehe...

 

[London Geezer]

There must be someone!!!!!!!

It's by far the best series Japan has ever made.

Also, it's not considered Manga becasue it's chinese, but has anyone got a peek at a Chinese series called "5th Generation" or something like that... or "The Dragon and the Tiger"...
I know the italian name, but italians always completely change the tiltes in the translation for some reason so i wouldn't know what the english name would be...

It was completely colour, and beautiful to look at, the storyline was pretty cool, sadly it was stopped in Italy because the company went bankrupt or something... such a shame...

 

[cthellis42]

It's by far the best series Japan has ever made.

Methinks you haven't actually watched all that much.