Could revolution actually be the number 1 console next gen?

[swanlee]

Ok so Nintendo doesn't release games that often because 3rd party devs don't want the stiff competition on a nintendo console? Uh ok however you want to rationlize it. what ends up happening in reality is nintendo doesn't relase that many game for their console people don't buy their console and 3rd party devs spend their money on console with a bigger user base.

So what happens to nintendo owners? Not many games released for it and little 3rd party support. sounds like nintendo has a wonderfull plan.

 

[fearsomepirate]

Mario and Madden are both doing quite well vis-a-vis Grand Theft Auto.

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Nintendo has nothing to compete with GT...for now (but who does?). Given that George Harrison said that not having something to compete with GT on the Gamecube was a "problem" this generation, I assume that will be fixed next-gen. Whatever they come up with won't be as massively popular as GT, but they'll have something.

Business rule #43: Never EVER say something is a "problem" if you're not already doing something to fix it.

Nintendo doesn't release games few and far between. Where do you get that idea? Do you just not follow Gamecube releases or something? A month without a Nintendo release is an anomaly, not the rule. They do it more often than MS does (a large portion of MS's releases were shovelware like Azurik), and their first-party stuff easily keeps pace with Sony's.

 

[v0rt3x]

That exactly what happened to the GC. Dev's were burned by nintendo on the n64 (I wish I could find that article) because of too many nintendo games so they didnt spend too much on the GC. You also missed my point where I said most nintendo owners buy the console for nintendo games. They could care less about ports, but if its original title not available anywhere else, it does do good (viewtiful joe 1) but as soon as there is a port available they'll buy it for their first console.

 

[fearsomepirate]

Most 'announcements' have been independant developer studios announcing 'Revolution' titles that'll never come to fruition.

Most major publishers have said they'll support it in limited capacity and all evidence support this. A full list can be seen Here. Tiny compared to the other systems.

The list of announced titles (even/especially if you count untitled projects) is even more laughable. Its a fraction of PS3/360.

It is very, very fair to say that third-party support of Revolution is looking pretty sketchy at this stage.

Yes, I go to "Revolution Report" for all my news. I remember when that site was hosted on blogspot. It's really professional. Further, considering that Nintendo did almost nothing to promote Revolution to developers at E3 and devkits have only been shipped recently, the announced 3rd-party support is already quite good. The announced support already covers the vast majority of marketshare by publisher and includes a number of developers who outright ignored Gamecube. The fact that Ubisoft is doing an FPS for the Cube (possibly exclusive), Kojima has already expressed the desire to do at least 2 Revolution games, and the President of Square-Enix has announced the desire to "strongly support" online plans, things are as good as they possibly be right now. I mean, we haven't even seen a screenshot or a demo yet.

I don't think it's going to take #1 by any means, but its library is going to be a lot richer than Gamecube's.

but as soon as there is a port available they'll buy it for their first console.

Not true; hardly anybody bought Viewtiful Joe 2, and it still sold better on the Gamecube (the split was something like 11K-Cube, 7K-PS2. It did horribly badly). The best way to kill a franchise is to start it on Gamecube and port it. Creates a negative buzz that kills the sales to the people who bought the first one, and the Xbox/PS2 base likely never had any interest in it to begin with.

 

[v0rt3x]

Not true; hardly anybody bought Viewtiful Joe 2, and it still sold better on the Gamecube (the split was something like 11K-Cube, 7K-PS2. It did horribly badly). The best way to kill a franchise is to start it on Gamecube and port it. Creates a negative buzz that kills the sales to the people who bought the first one, and the Xbox/PS2 base likely never had any interest in it to begin with.

Thats what I actually meant but didnt know how to put it. Thank you for clearing it up!!

 

[pc999]

Powderkeg

That is the perfect argument why PS and XB (or any new console) never had sucess... no, wait...

A next/new gen is the perfect time to reset, they corrected their errors, they are creating new IPs they are doing a lot of right things for this time...

 

[ROG27]

I truly hope Nintendo takes back the crown as number 1. I think it will kill alot of the Sony vs. Microsoft fanaticism of videogaming and return videogaming back to a warmer, fuzzier, more imaginative place. On the whole, Nintendo being number 1 again would do a lot of good for the industry. Videogaming would less emphasize the VIDEO and more emphasize the GAMING, once again.

 

[assen]

Isn't this a bit of a hyperbole? I can't imagine Halo and Halo 2 having outsold all the various incarnations of Doom, Half-Life, or Unreal.

MS claims that more FPSes have been sold for the Xbox for its 4 year lifespan than for the PC for all times.

 

[Shifty Geezer]

I truly hope Nintendo takes back the crown as number 1. I think it will kill alot of the Sony vs. Microsoft fanaticism of videogaming and return videogaming back to a warmer, fuzzier, more imaginative place.

Because there never was any SEGA vs. Nintendo fanaticism at all...

There'll always be 6 stars, no matter the field. Console manufacturers, GPU manufacturers, political parties, religions, sports, will all have their share of blinkered supporters who supports a side for no other reason than it's the side they support. The rest of us moderates just have to put up with them.

I don't think Nintendo at number one would improve imagination either. There's lots of variety in PS2, plus the may limiting factor on imagination is money and publishers. Unless Nintendo were to be more supportive of imaginative game development than the current situation, it'll remain the publishers that are holding things back.

 

[c0_re]

There is a lot of people that is very interested in Rev, I am sure many more will be if it as good specs. And once that Rev should be the best for FPS ...

People declare it dead, but it is very active for a dead company.

How can it possibly be the best for FPS without HD support and sketchy 3rd party support at best. What is Nintendo going to start making their own versions of Ghost Recon, Battlefield and Halo, highly unlkely. I won't even play FPS(or racing\flying or spoorts) games that aren't in 720p or better with widesceen support, again once you go HD there's no going back, just like with Xbox once you experienced 98% of your games in 480p it was tough to go back and even 480p is horrible now. I want the Rev to be sucessfull too but lets be realistic here, it's going to be a niche product plain and simple Nintendo isn't stupid nor can they afford to spend the R&D on a new console or afford to take the huge losses on hardware.

 

[pc999]

I will not even comment on that...

 

[Shifty Geezer]

I want the Rev to be sucessfull too but lets be realistic here, it's going to be a niche product plain and simple Nintendo isn't stupid nor can they afford to spend the R&D on a new console or afford to take the huge losses on hardware.

Yes. Revolution doesn't support HD so is limited to the niche market of the few people who don't have HDTVs. With only 80+% of the market satisfying that criteria it's a wonder Nintendo will be able to sell even one of these things.

 

[fearsomepirate]

Yes. Revolution doesn't support HD so is limited to the niche market of the few people who don't have HDTVs. With only 80+% of the market satisfying that criteria it's a wonder Nintendo will be able to sell even one of these things.

Nintendo is doomed. Time to go software-only.

 

[ROG27]

I could see a new market opening up from Nintendo's new console: the budget console market. Sony and MS will continue to duke it out in the 'premium' market...while Nintendo will once again sit atop its throne in the 'budget' market...displacing much of the once unified (now segmented) market.

 

[typoEDR]

Budget console market? You mean the market that could potentially be dominated by the aging but remarkably sharp little PS2? The one that existed for a few months after the launch of the PS2 (the really cheap PSOne, reduced N64 prices, $99 Dreamcasts) and essentially after every generation change? If Sony has learned from its mistake with the PS1 (which they have claimed they have; and titles like GOW2 are proving), the PS2--after a lower price point--will be quite the contender in the budget console market.

The Revolution's market will be as Nintendo once stated it: Nintendo fans and non-gamers; the second console. I don't think the Rev will be #1, but I don't think it will be an abysmal failure--though the potential is there. I can't judge how third-party titles will do, so here's hoping that Nintendo's on their toes with the Rev.

 

[c0_re]

I could see a new market opening up from Nintendo's new console: the budget console market. Sony and MS will continue to duke it out in the 'premium' market...while Nintendo will once again sit atop its throne in the 'budget' market...displacing much of the once unified (now segmented) market.

The problem with this is "budget" games make "budget" profits for the publisher profit margins are tight enough and are gamble already right now, so unless the big N pullls somthing out of a magic hat I just don't see this happening. Not to mention it'll be competing with the PS2 which is still unbelivably selling like hotcakes in some parts of the world.

 

[expletive]

DO we know what controller options the rev will come with? Will it only come with the remote-thingy or will it also come with the gamepad shell attchment for the remote thingy?

EDIT: Or the remote thing and the seperate joystick control...

 

[pc999]

Budget console market? You mean the market that could potentially be dominated by the aging but remarkably sharp little PS2? The one that existed for a few months after the launch of the PS2 (the really cheap PSOne, reduced N64 prices, $99 Dreamcasts) and essentially after every generation change?

I think it could be ver different this time, for the start is a paradigm change, it is not only for the "old market", some dont think that next gen worth that much or it is limited (I am not included), for the dev (some at least) next gen it is a big rysc, many want diferent things...principal is that this time (unlike PSOne...) Rev will not be a cheap and outdated console and IMO it does have good changes if they do a few things right.

 

[mckmas8808]

I think it could be ver different this time, for the start is a paradigm change, it is not only for the "old market", some dont think that next gen worth that much or it is limited (I am not included), for the dev (some at least) next gen it is a big rysc, many want diferent things...principal is that this time (unlike PSOne...) Rev will not be a cheap and outdated console and IMO it does have good changes if they do a few things right.

What paradigm change? Has Nintendo proven to anybody that this change is real yet?

 

[Shifty Geezer]

What paradigm change? Has Nintendo proven to anybody that this change is real yet?

They've proven it to PC999 for sure I think DS shows gameplay is more important than specs to some (many?) consumers too.