Console Religion...

Hello All,

Wow, I had no idea that people could be so passionate about consoles. It looks like there is lots of emotion involved that kinda boggles me. Maybe because I have only owned 2 consoles, Atari 2600 and a PS2. =)

Dr. Ffreeze

PS. I am interested in tech, and in what the next gen (no not the CPU maker) consoles might have inside them, but it seams that some people are getting a little religious about their favorite game machine. =)
 
Dr. Ffreeze said:
Hello All,

Wow, I had no idea that people could be so passionate about consoles. It looks like there is lots of emotion involved that kinda boggles me. Maybe because I have only owned 2 consoles, Atari 2600 and a PS2. =)

Dr. Ffreeze

PS. I am interested in tech, and in what the next gen (no not the CPU maker) consoles might have inside them, but it seams that some people are getting a little religious about their favorite game machine. =)

I think the problem is two fold;

1) it's human nature to want to belong to a 'group', and in this case the group is a 'console camp'.
2) people want to protect and justify their investment in the platform they chose, lest they be seen as being inferior for picking the 'wrong' one.
 
zurich said:
Dr. Ffreeze said:
Hello All,

Wow, I had no idea that people could be so passionate about consoles. It looks like there is lots of emotion involved that kinda boggles me. Maybe because I have only owned 2 consoles, Atari 2600 and a PS2. =)

Dr. Ffreeze

PS. I am interested in tech, and in what the next gen (no not the CPU maker) consoles might have inside them, but it seams that some people are getting a little religious about their favorite game machine. =)

I think the problem is two fold;

1) it's human nature to want to belong to a 'group', and in this case the group is a 'console camp'.
2) people want to protect and justify their investment in the platform they chose, lest they be seen as being inferior for picking the 'wrong' one.
They must see me as inferior, I picked Atari then Sega, now Nintendo... :cry:
 
zurich,

1) it's human nature to want to belong to a 'group', and in this case the group is a 'console camp'.

I can see that, but it still seams kinda silly to me. Hardware is just hardware in my book. I used to love Nvidia's products, but after a while I really came to enjoy ATI's. Someone thought I was a Nvidia fanboy and was surprised that I would ever install an ATI device. I looked at him strange, and said I was very fickle not a fanboy. What ever delivers the best price/performance ratio for the money I wanted to spend was what I like at the time.

2) people want to protect and justify their investment in the platform they chose, lest they be seen as being inferior for picking the 'wrong' one.

Hmm, are we talking about a lot of kids? If not, consoles are not that expensive now a days. They could just buy 1 of each. =) Heck, as long as I am having fun playing games I don't realy care what console or PC it is on. =)

Interesting Comments,
Dr. Ffreeze
 
Being a console fan/nut is no different than being a sports team fan/nut for example. There are fans/nuts of all varieties, American V-twin vs. Japanese motorcycles, BMW vs. Mercedes, ale vs. lager, etc etc...

Why anyone's surprised over this is beyond me actually. It's simply human nature, we want to be dumb and make asses out of ourselves in front of other - preferably strange - people. ;)

As for myself, I take offense when people call me a PS2 nut, because I own four Nintendo consoles (5 counting my Gameboy Player), but only 1 Sony console.


*G*
 
Everything needs supporters in a debate. Whenever there's competition (and there almost always is) in anything... there's debating; people choose a side and back that side. Some people are bi-partisan, others stick to one thing.

Me, I've been a Nintendo fan since I saw Super Mario Bros running on the NES. IMO, they've made some of the best games ever.. and while others have felt betrayed, I've stood by the Big N because I like their games and philosophy that much.

Of course, I'm a gamer.. so I play games. Not necessarily just Nintendo consoles, though. I play my Xbox, my PC, and over the years.. a plethora of other platforms. I just feel comfortable debating on the side of Nintendo in the "console wars" though. While dozens of other developers and a few other hardware makers have earned my love, Nintendo stands as a beacon of light in the gaming world. One of very few companies that I can really count on to give me an experience that'll stick in my mind for years to come. I feel at home in Kyoto, Japan. :)
 
To add to the list, there's:

Coke vs. Pepsi
Mustang vs. Camaro
Domestic vs. Imports
Energizer vs. Duracell
DirecTV vs. Dish
Star Wars vs. Star Trek
Old Star Wars vs. New Star Wars
Old Star Trek vs. New Star Trek
Survivor vs. Fear Factor
Fox News vs. CNN
Liberal vs. Conservative
Snickers vs. Milkyway
UPS vs. FedEx
SolidWorks vs. Solid Edge
Windows vs. Mac OS
Jews vs. Palestinians (there's a good one!)
CD vs. Vinyl
Tubes vs. Solidstate
Quake vs. Unreal
Lamborghini vs. Ferrari
Turbocharged vs. Natural Aspiration
Turbocharged vs. Supercharged
FWD vs. RWD
RWD vs. AWD

...and the list goes on...

I've seen everyone from adolescents to adults to industry professionals get sucked into such discussions, and it invariably leads to purile mudslinging in the end, no matter what the age, maturity, or technical expertise of the participants.

It's got to be some obsessive flaw in the human condition because I don't think all of these dichotomies just developed out of nowhere. The truly enlightened human is the one who can see the pointlessness of all this "vs. crap", like what they like, and respect that others may like something else (instead of bashing or seeing it as some shortcoming). The worst example of the "vs. shortcoming" is that guy who seemingly can only justify his choice by demeaning the other choice.
 
Randycat,

Forgot Mitsubishi Lancer Evo vs Subaru Imprezza :LOL:

(sorry, but I'm a Evo fanboi so I couldn't not add it :p)
 
Forgot Mitsubishi Lancer Evo vs Subaru Imprezza

(sorry, but I'm a Evo fanboi so I couldn't not add it

Shame... That sorry, patched up, family sedan excuse for a wannabe rally car is a piece in comparison Fuji Heavy Industries' boxer powered gem... :p

How's that for 'religion?" ;)
 
archie4oz said:
Forgot Mitsubishi Lancer Evo vs Subaru Imprezza

(sorry, but I'm a Evo fanboi so I couldn't not add it

Shame... That sorry, patched up, family sedan excuse for a wannabe rally car is a piece in comparison Fuji Heavy Industries' boxer powered gem... :p

How's that for 'religion?" ;)

I agree, the Imprezza is shit :p

edit: if you want to be technical, the Evo VII and VIII are based off the sedan, with the Evo I to VI (my fav), the sedan was based off the rally car :) Go Tommi!!
 
I have an Imprezza and I agree it is crap too :LOL: (last "Suby" this guy buys)

The only thing that really gets me started are political ISSUES. As far as the partys go I'm an equal oppurtunity hater :devilish:

My family is very heavily pro Ford/Anti Chevrolet. I've owned a Ford, Chevrolet, Dodge, and the Subaru.

Consoles I've owned pretty much all of them. I like them all..... The only thing that upsets me is that rabid fanoyism has really made the PS2 so popular, to the detriment of the other, technically superior consoles. If there ever was a console that didn't need "defending", it's that one. They've already won the "war" so what's the point?

I'll buy whatever console/PC that I happen to like at the time. Backward compatibilty is starting to matter to me alot, and in the next generation I may skip one of the 3 consoles, the one that offers the least amount of backward compatibilty. Whether it's MS, Sony, or Nintendo, it's their decision :devilish:
 
BigGamer X said:
Consoles I've owned pretty much all of them. I like them all..... The only thing that upsets me is that rabid fanoyism has really made the PS2 so popular, to the detriment of the other, technically superior consoles. If there ever was a console that didn't need "defending", it's that one. They've already won the "war" so what's the point?

I'll buy whatever console/PC that I happen to like at the time. Backward compatibilty is starting to matter to me alot, and in the next generation I may skip one of the 3 consoles, the one that offers the least amount of backward compatibilty. Whether it's MS, Sony, or Nintendo, it's their decision :devilish:



errr... i think with the first paragraph u confirmed what was said in the first post... especially the "to the detriment of the other, technically superior consoles" comment... i mean, if PS2 "won" something it's because of how Sony handled the marketing, the time difference in releasing the consoles themselves, how many good games there are on the machine, name recognition, good enough hardware to play games that can sometimes be considered "on par" with the technically superior competition to the untrained eye... that kind of thing, not really "because fanbois are defending it".... :LOL:


what i think it is, it's the fact that when someone can only afford to purchase one console each generation, that someone feels the need of supporting the thing to ensure that his/her investment is worth his/her hard-earned cash. also, the more recognised is the console, the more support it gets from the developers, which in turn means that more games will be made for it which in turn means that among those many games there are some "great" games. and also i think that the DC ghost is still haunting some people, at the end of the day no one wants his/her only console to be dropped all at once forcing the customer to buy another one so soon after purchasing one.

personally, i have had a NES (now that was when i REALLY had FUN with videogames), an old original Gameboy (same), a Genesis (ok for the time i guess), then i went into the whole PC-gaming thing until i got tired of spending so much fricking money every 6 months to ensure my games played well enough, then a PS2. the only reason i haven't purchased a GC or an Xbox is because PS2 gives me by far enough enjoyment for those 2-3 hours i play a week sometimes...
now i'm just gonna wait until the next generation then i'll see who will deserve my money. so far i have changed every generation, this time, who knows, i think PS3 will have the games i'll be interested the most in, namely Square games. what Konami decides to do also plays a BIG part in my books, since some of the best games this generation have been theirs. also i have been genuinely VERY impressed in the first party Sony titles and the exclusive titles ps2 has. if the situation remains the same, i guess ill just stick with PS3. if "technically superior" consoles come out, who cares, i choose consoles according to the games i enjoy...
 
london-boy said:
if "technically superior" consoles come out, who cares, i choose consoles according to the games i enjoy...

Exactly what I am also doing.

I guess the problem is haters tend to be more outspoken. And they only believe what they want to believe. It is very much like religion or love, somewhat blinded.

Every piece of hardware has their merits, keep on talking about the well known limitations and then speculate to the stars doesn't add anything new.
 
The fact that most people couldn't be bothered to wait MS and Nintendo to get off their a$$es and just bought a PS2 helped it "take off"...and of course insecure people will feel the need to "defend it" when other people go around saying "yeah but my newer and more expensive console is more powerful than urs".... it's a big "my dick is bigger than urs" competition....

i will buy whatever console has SH games, together with MGS, FF's, and i am admittedly very attracted to whatever Naughty Dog and MANY of Sony's internal development teams will do. Polyphony Digital of course...
and if i have enough cash, i will also get another console provided it can give me a somewhat different experience to whatever Sony will give me. no point in having 2 or 3 consoles if all they do is copy each other, much like they are doing now....
 
The games that got me buying the consoles

PS - Fighting evolution (an Ultraman fighting game)
DC - DOA2
PS2 - DOA2
X-BOX - DOA3
GC - "because it is cute" & "my kids will like its games"

But for the next gen, DOA, Silent Hill and Final Fantasy will be the determining factors, for sure "cute" (e.g. GameCube) and "cool" (e.g. Ocean Blue PS2) are always my other factors.

I expect I will end up buying all again, ha ha ! :)
 
Here is the way it all began
you had Sega people and Nintendo people
both were great.
When PSX came out, all of a sudden everyone with a PSX decided the cool thing to do was to call Nintendo Kiddy, and spit at anyone who owned one

Many people had an N64, they loved and enjoyed it, but missed out on a lot of great third party titles.

Along comes PS2, it has pretty much no games at all for the first year, but everyone bought one because PSX was good, so why not, again they spit at anyone who would wait for the GC or Xbox.

Xbox shows itself, and people who had an N64 and waited for the GC now have someone to dump thier misery off on, they finally have a group who has little good third party support, and the first party support really doesnt make up for it anymore.

so you have a three way bitter battle that doesnt end,because everyone has to knock each others systems to make themselves feel better, and it never stops, most people who do bashing are doing it as a result of someone bashing thier own system of choice. As I have noticed in my short time here many people find no greater pleasure than finding some off the wall article about how Nintendo isnt doing that hot, etc etc etc...

its all so very lame to sit and bash consoles, they all have come a long way, they all have enough games to make the inexpensive hardware purchase, sadly most people just do not have a clue. The appreciation for games is gone, and now its all about who has the most dead hookers in thier games.
 
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