Consensus on NV3x Floating-Point Pixel Shaders?

[Sabastian]

I wouldn't be suprised if the 5200 has sold more units than the R300.

But I wouldn't be suprised the other way either.

(p.s. don't believe any of those market reports. The ones that report on consumer electronics do a piss poor job from my experience)

I take all that market study research stuff with a grain of salt. Usually the info is outdated as by the time everyone involved has made numbers public and so on and is compiled by market researchers it is six months after the fact.

I am fairly doubtful about the possibility that the 5200 has sold more then the Radeon 9700 at this point. I don't know of allot OEM design wins for the 5200 yet while Dell has been carrying the Radeon 9700TX for sometime and on the retail level its sales have been high. No doubt though a 5200($79 USD) will have higher sales volume then the high end Radoen 9700 that sells for more then three times that. But that overlooks the fact that ATi has had other varieties on the market for a rather long time and newer faster (then both the 5200 5600 in their respective price segments.) cheaper soon. Anyhow it is like I said I doubt that ATi will be able to manage such a high percent of the overall DX9 market for very long.

 

[AzBat]

(p.s. don't believe any of those market reports. The ones that report on consumer electronics do a piss poor job from my experience)

I take all that market study research stuff with a grain of salt. Usually the info is outdated as by the time everyone involved has made numbers public and so on and is compiled by market researchers it is six months after the fact.

Jon's data is always timely. It has to be in order for him to sell it. Usely within 3 weeks of the quarter ending their study was available. The data is accurate too since all data on shipment numbers comes directly from the manufacturer and is always verified by checking financials and numbers from the foundries. For private companies like Matrox, it's a little more difficult since they usually never give exact numbers. Usually an estimate has to be made, but it's usually good enough. Many people trust his data. In fact his customers are the same people giving him the data(ATI, NVIDIA, Intel, etc).

BTW, I had about 5 years of his reports and newsletters, but that was until I had to clean out my storage unit. So, to the dumpster they went!

Tommy McClain

 

[Sabastian]

Jon's data is always timely. It has to be in order for him to sell it. Usely within 3 weeks of the quarter ending their study was available. The data is accurate too since all data on shipment numbers comes directly from the manufacturer and is always verified by checking financials and numbers from the foundries. For private companies like Matrox, it's a little more difficult since they usually never give exact numbers. Usually an estimate has to be made, but it's usually good enough. Many people trust his data. In fact his customers are the same people giving him the data(ATI, NVIDIA, Intel, etc).

Hrm, well mercury always seems to be a little slow. The problem with determining what nvidia has sold is that its third parties have to have sold it for it to be translated into a sale for nvidia. In other words nvidia sales figures are directly associated with its partner sales subsequentially this results in nvidias partners having to report their quarterly sales but they never all do at the same time AFAIK. I am not sure how ATi is working their sales with their partners.

BTW, I had about 5 years of his reports and newsletters, but that was until I had to clean out my storage unit. So, to the dumpster they went!

Tommy McClain

Man, that must have cost ya a fortune.

 

[AzBat]

BTW, I had about 5 years of his reports and newsletters, but that was until I had to clean out my storage unit. So, to the dumpster they went!

Man, that must have cost ya a fortune.

Remember, I used to work for JPA. I worked on the newsletter every week and provided some data for the rest of the reports. In other words, I got them free.

Tommy McClain

 

[Sabastian]

Remember, I used to work for JPA. I worked on the newsletter every week and provided some data for the rest of the reports. In other words, I got them free.

Tommy McClain

Oh yeah....... uhh, I think I am gonna have a nap or something.

 

[RussSchultz]

Jon's data is always timely. It has to be in order for him to sell it. Usely within 3 weeks of the quarter ending their study was available. The data is accurate too since all data on shipment numbers comes directly from the manufacturer and is always verified by checking financials and numbers from the foundries. For private companies like Matrox, it's a little more difficult since they usually never give exact numbers. Usually an estimate has to be made, but it's usually good enough.

I do know the analysts that cover the industry I'm particularly familiar with are way off on their numbers. They seem to completely ignore the far east as a market (or that's the best guess I can come up with)