Choosing the sex of your child...

MrsSkywalker

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I just watched the evening news, and they had a piece on a "new" technology which allows you to choose the sex of your baby. I know that this has been discussed for years, but it's actually in practice now. I was wondering what everyone thought about it, and, given the opportunity, would you choose to do this??
 
I don't know about the procedure yet, but I don't think being able to choose the sex of your child is anything bad.

But I wouldn't want to do it, I just like the suprise as part of the experience.
 
You asked for my thoughts, here they are.

I don't think babies are possesions to be manipulated in such a manner. I don't think you should change their genetic make up just because someone else, regardless of who they are says so.

Additional information:

I believe unborn children (fertilised egg) is human. Sperm or an egg on it's own is not. I also believe if the mother's life is in serious danger, she should be able to abort to save her own life.
 
The reality is that people already choose the genetic makeup of their child by choosing the genetic quality of their mate. People with bad genes don't reproduce as often, although nowadays, someone with serious defects can probably accomplish it due to the size of the population, modern communications (for finding others like you, or that one person with a fetish), and social welfare.

But ask yourself this (assuming you want children): Would you choose a mate who you 100% knew were going to produce a child that was: lower IQ, unattractive, or shorter lifespan?

Our standards of beauty are geared towards people who are: well fed/fit, intelligent, and have the exterior appearance we desire of our children (hair color, eye color, etc.) My wife definately wants our child to have "big eyes" and a big nose, someone many chinese/japanese/koreans often have cosmetic surgery for (put an extra fold in the eyelid, for example. She would also be especially pleased if the kid has brown/blond hair and blue eyes (98% chance it ain't gonna happen since she carriers no blue/green genes).

Think most women want a man with slurred speech? Do you most people think a limp is sexually attractive? (BTW, I said this as a member of the set of those unfit, homely geektypes)

Direct genetic manipulation is just a more deterministic way of accomplishing what people already subconsciously desire in their breeding patterns: the most intelligent, fit, attractive offspring.

Of course, the usual canards will come up "OHMIGAWG, what if everyone chooses a boy! The end of the species!" (I personally prefer girls over boys). GM discussions usually turn into discussions of monsters, eugenics, "what if they clone/produce the next Hitler/Khan", and whatever nightmare scenarios you can conjure up. It's hard to convince people's minds otherwise. It just takes a generation. There was similar opposition to organ transplants, blood transfusions, even surgery, when it first became available.
 
Changing sex aside.

Genetic manipulation probably isn't a smart thing -- with the current state of information/technology. It's been found that many people have rather simillar views on beauty and many other characterists -- the magic ratio for the hour glass figure and so on. This makes sense, we all basically have the same "forces" at work within us to try and find the ideal mate. In anycase, this could have serious adverse effects to genetic diversity, how would you like to have a kid with your genetic cousin, sister or twin?

I figure we can't get a millions of lines of C/C++ working perfectly (see nearly any program of that size or even smaller in those languages), who says we can even begin to tackle something as complex as our genetic code. Yes, I'm generalising, but it conveys my reasons for being cautious.
 
I figure we can't get a millions of lines of C/C++ working perfectly (see nearly any program of that size or even smaller in those languages), who says we can even begin to tackle something as complex as our genetic code. Yes, I'm generalising, but it conveys my reasons for being cautious.

I want to take you up on that. :LOL:
 
Who says nature gets it right either? Why is it ok if a mutation is random, or caused by a cosmic ray, and bad if the result of intelligence?
 
DemoCoder said:
People with bad genes don't reproduce as often,

I'm not sure sure about this one ;p

But on the subject of choosing gender.... well would YOU like being changed from a boy to a girl (or the other way around), by someone else ?
 
DemoCoder said:
Our standards of beauty are geared towards people who are: well fed/fit, intelligent, and have the exterior appearance we desire of our children (hair color, eye color, etc.)

I would delete "intelligent" from that list.
 
Just a point of clarification:

I don't believe there is a process for altering the sex of the child via genetic manipulation. The last I heard anything about this, it's merely a process of separating male from female sperm, and then selecting which sperm to artificially inseminate the egg with. I haven't seen this particular report, so I don't know if it's anything different.

If not, it isn't much different an issue than going to a sperm bank and selecting the sperm you want based on the donor's characteristics. I don't have a moral problem "sex selection" based on this at all, though it's not something I would do.

Then again, if I had 10 girls and no boys and wanted another child, maybe I would have a change of heart. ;)
 
Genetic manipulation probably isn't a smart thing -- with the current state of information/technology.

It will have to be done in order to compete... Normal humans will seem retarded, unattractive, unfit.... compared to their gm brethren...

It is clear that once technology and knowledge is sufficient this will be done be it legal or illegal... The human mind alone could stand to receive an increase of more than an order of magnitude in the long run... there is no way a normal human can compete with that...

In any case you will be forced to do so, for the benefit of the child. Not to mention no child would want to be inferior to his comrades, just because you had some sort of moral-ethical dilemma...
 
evil said:
But on the subject of choosing gender.... well would YOU like being changed from a boy to a girl (or the other way around), by someone else ?

Well, in that case, it's a meaningless comparison.

If a child that would have been male, were instead made female, it would never know the difference and lead a perfectly normal life... and vice-versa.
 
Tagrineth said:
If a child that would have been male, were instead made female, it would never know the difference and lead a perfectly normal life... and vice-versa.

Depends on when the change is made. If it's like at the fertilization, then yes. If it's done later in the process, like after birth, then no, it would not live a normal life.
 
Re: sorting the sperm before fertilization... I think this is totally different than "genetic meddling". They're merely sorting sperm under a microscope, in simple terms. Big deal. Hardly "genetic mutation". One sperm has to get to the egg anyhow.

Any fears about, "What's next?!?!" Or "What's to stop them from adding a few extra IQ points or a few extra inches in height?!?" are plain and simply fear mongering. Two totally different things.

The scary thing about the sex choosing thing, IMO, is that people are actually shallow enough to care about whether they're having a girl or a boy.

We had a girl nearly 4 years ago. My wife just gave birth to our second child on April 1. Both are competely healthy. The most irritating question I got through the second pregnancy was: "I bet you hope it's a boy, don't you?" Or, "If it's a girl, are you gonna have another till you have a boy?"

BIG DEAL, people. Some men don't feel they're actually MEN unless they have a boy. I don't get that. My response was usually, "No, actually, I'd like a girl because it makes more sense economically: no new clothes, no new toys, etc... etc..." Of course most people just look blankly at me and can't believe that I'd want a girl for econimic reasons over having the presige of a boy to "carry my name on". Big freakin' deal. I want well-mannered children who reflect well on my wife and me. Who cares whether they keep my name when they're married or not? I don't.

In case you're curious, we had a boy, Derek Christopher, on April 1. I love him and will be just as proud raising him as I would if he had been a girl.

-Chris
 
Just remember all of you start out female, that's the default state of the fetus. If you don't receive a dose of hormones at precisely the right time, you will end up with female looking genitalia even though you might still have the XY chromosome. (you know, the small shriveled up chromosome that is smaller than all the rest, the one with lots of junk DNA, the one that is responsible for color blindness, etc)
 
covermye said:
Of course most people just look blankly at me and can't believe that I'd want a girl for econimic reasons

Maybe they think you're insane for believing a girl costs less.
 
DemoCoder said:
Just remember all of you start out female, that's the default state of the fetus. If you don't receive a dose of hormones at precisely the right time, you will end up with female looking genitalia even though you might still have the XY chromosome. (you know, the small shriveled up chromosome that is smaller than all the rest, the one with lots of junk DNA, the one that is responsible for color blindness, etc)

It isn't responsible for colourblindness.

Not directly, anyway.

Colourblindness is caused by a defect in the X chromosome.

Men are more prone to the condition because in an XX pair, one X's defects can be masked by the other (assuming it doesn't have the defect) - men don't have that luxury; if the defect is present, the Y can't make up for the error.
 
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