Check out NV40 on HL2

[Mendel]

To clear things up:

Alpha is a release that can have missing features, levels, and bugs. Usually sent to publishers to find business opportunities.

Beta is a release that has all features, all levels, but may have placeholders and bugs.

Some prefer to call very much tested betas by the name of "gamma"

After testing the beta for some time and having replaced placeholders with real art, fixed most of the bugs, you can release the 1.0.

Final version is the last update to the game.

 

[Stryyder]

It doesn't matter whether it's 'stolen' or not: The fact of the matter is NV40 ran the same game that was run on the other cards, and it ran it 2x-5x faster.

Helps that the game is an actual part of HL2.

The fact that it is stolen means there is no way to confirm what operations the cards are performing especially since we know the build is a)stolen b)incomplete especially graphically and cannot be even close to be considered a real application.... or that the build was configured or modified to run better for any one particular card or architecture remember that the game was built to scale to whatever it was running on both GPU an CPU

It also would cause a reasonable person to question the veracity of the results and the comparisons based on how unethical the actual test is, as the tests cannot and will not be accurately reproduced by anyone else to test their accuray.

And again why would you be suprised that its 2x to 5x faster anyway based on the other benchmarks or other games that can both be reproduced and are on reputable and offical builds.. Many of these show the NV40 as 2x faster than than any NV3x level card in games with shaders that we know are full DX9 titles.

 

[jvd]

It doesn't matter whether it's 'stolen' or not: The fact of the matter is NV40 ran the same game that was run on the other cards, and it ran it 2x-5x faster.

Helps that the game is an actual part of HL2.

well i can tell you on that stolen game my 9700pro runs much better than the 9800xt in the offical benchmarks .

It basicly means its b.s and perhaps valve should sue them for using stolen property in a review .

 

[nobie]

It basicly means its b.s and perhaps valve should sue them for using stolen property in a review .

Hasn't Valve already done enough to the gaming community?

 

[jvd]

It basicly means its b.s and perhaps valve should sue them for using stolen property in a review .

Hasn't Valve already done enough to the gaming community?

Hasn't the gaming community done enough to valve ?

 

[ANova]

It basicly means its b.s and perhaps valve should sue them for using stolen property in a review .

Hasn't Valve already done enough to the gaming community?

Hasn't the gaming community done enough to valve ?

Indeed. I find it amazing how much flak Valve has recieved and still continues to recieve for speaking the truth. Nvidia refuses to acknowledge them or HL2 because of it. Did you notice how the slide that listed all the games which plan on incorporating PS3.0 included Vampire: Bloodlines (a game that uses the Source engine) but not HL2? Instead of owning up to their mistakes they use Valve as their scapegoat by flexing their PR machine and corporate power to incite hatred from fans.

 

[sonix666]

Indeed. I find it amazing how much flak Valve has recieved and still continues to recieve for speaking the truth. Nvidia refuses to acknowledge them or HL2 because of it. Did you notice how the slide that listed all the games which plan on incorporating PS3.0 included Vampire: Bloodlines (a game that uses the Source engine) but not HL2? Instead of owning up to their mistakes they use Valve as their scapegoat by flexing their PR machine and corporate power to incite hatred from fans.

Is HL2 planning on incorporating PS3.0 then? I am not aware of that. So I don't understand your discussion about the list of nVidia of games that are planning to incorporate PS3.0 optimizations.

 

[ANova]

Is HL2 planning on incorporating PS3.0 then? I am not aware of that. So I don't understand your discussion about the list of nVidia of games that are planning to incorporate PS3.0 optimizations.

Obviously it is. I see no reason for the same not to happen for HL2 considering both are on the same engine. If anything it will be added through a patch like Far Cry is doing.

 

[karlotta]

Indeed. I find it amazing how much flak Valve has recieved and still continues to recieve for speaking the truth. Nvidia refuses to acknowledge them or HL2 because of it. Did you notice how the slide that listed all the games which plan on incorporating PS3.0 included Vampire: Bloodlines (a game that uses the Source engine) but not HL2? Instead of owning up to their mistakes they use Valve as their scapegoat by flexing their PR machine and corporate power to incite hatred from fans.

Is HL2 planning on incorporating PS3.0 then? I am not aware of that. So I don't understand your discussion about the list of nVidia of games that are planning to incorporate PS3.0 optimizations.

Yes Valve is going to use 3.0,and why would nvidia premote HL2? Its a ATI game....., Also Valve,id and epic all get slagged comes with being ontop.

 

[Snarfy]

if hl2 is an ati game and it uses ps 3.0, that points towards r420 using ps3.0

ati had better use 3.0, or be REALLY fast, if they wanna beat the 6800...

 

[ANova]

HL2 is not an ATI game. Valve simply sided with ATI because they clearly had the better product at the time. ATI offered money to include the game with their cards and Valve accepted. It's not as bad as nvidia paying to have other companies like Epic put their "The way it's meant to be played" logo in games which offers itself as a rather strong advertisement for nvidia.

 

[Pete]

it says pure speed. How do we know this isn't running the mix mode persicion or even the dx 8.1 path for the nv40 ???

"Pure speed" means no AA/AF at Xbit--yeah, don't ask me why.

 

[Evildeus]

HL2 is not an ATI game. Valve simply sided with ATI because they clearly had the better product at the time. ATI offered money to include the game with their cards and Valve accepted. It's not as bad as nvidia paying to have other companies like Epic put their "The way it's meant to be played" logo in games which offers itself as a rather strong advertisement for nvidia.

HL2 is an GITG product, like UT2k4 is a TWIMTBP.

 

[bloodbob]

It doesn't matter whether it's 'stolen' or not: The fact of the matter is NV40 ran the same game that was run on the other cards, and it ran it 2x-5x faster.

Helps that the game is an actual part of HL2.

Umm how the ... do you get 5 times faster???? 99.4 is less then 1.5X times faster then 44.8 let along 5 times faster the card would have to be doing 268.8 fps for the 16x12 demo.

Also I don't see how PS 3.0 is gonna make a big speed difference other then possible the displacement mapping.

 

[Evildeus]

Umm how the ... do you get 5 times faster???? 99.4 is less then 1.5X times faster then 44.8 let along 5 times faster the card would have to be doing 268.8 fps for the 16x12 demo.

I think he is speaking of this chart:

 

[bloodbob]

Umm how the ... do you get 5 times faster???? 99.4 is less then 1.5X times faster then 44.8 let along 5 times faster the card would have to be doing 268.8 fps for the 16x12 demo.

I think he is speaking of this chart:

So am I.

The fastest of the other cards it is the 9800 xt and the NV40 is no where near 5 times faster let alone 2 times faster.

 

[Evildeus]

He said:

The fact of the matter is NV40 ran the same game that was run on the other cards, and it ran it 2x-5x faster

The other card being 9800 XT and 5950U.
For the 9800XT it's 2.2 times faster.
For the 5950U it's 4.4 times faster.

I don't see his comment so off base, so what's the problem :?

PS: don't confuse times faster and more %age

 

[bloodbob]

In reference to onetwo.

For the 9800XT it's 1.2 times faster.
For the 5950U it's 3.4 times faster.

or


For the 9800XT it's 2.2 times as fast.
For the 5950U it's 4.4 times as fast.

Now if at ATI went out tomorrow and said their 9600 XT is 100 times faster then competiting products would that be vaild NO even though its probably 100 times faster then microsofts reference render. If you saying a card is faster then other cards then you always compare the speeds to the fastest competiting card.

 

[Evildeus]

I understand your point, but that's how i understood his post and i think i'm right. Anyway, you can always compare the previous best of both NV and Ati or whatever you decide to compare with, i don't understand why it's so problematic with that.

If i what to compare the 9600 XT with the reference renderer what's the problem? Till you specifie what you are comparing to :/

 

[bloodbob]

I understand your point, but that's how i understood his post and i think i'm right. Anyway, you can always compare the previous best of both NV and Ati or whatever you decide to compare with, i don't understand why it's so problematic with that.

If i what to compare the 9600 XT with the reference renderer what's the problem? Till you specifie what you are comparing to :/

Well if you say competiting products aren't all the products competiting and at no point in time is it 100 times faster then all the competiting products.

Its like say that nvidia cards can't run doom 3.

Well I never said which nvidia cards can't run it.