CELL and XDR at 4.8 Ghz ?

I'm talking in relative terms. There might be a shortage at launch, but when the shortage ends, the $400 price isn't going to make people buy more just because there will be many of them available. Regardless $300 + game + controller < $400 + game + controller.

In other words most didn't pay $300 for it. They waited for a price drop. At $400 that trend will be even stronger.

 

I would buy a next gen console even for €400, with the expected next gen features (WiFi, better graphics + sound etc...), I might consider paying it even without a BluRay or HD-DVD and hard disk.

I most likely will buy only one console next gen, it'll be a several years of investment for me.
Many would pay €400 for a standalone DVD player, or put the same amount of money for a cell-phone, or other home entertainmaent and gadgets. A €300 iPod is not considered too expensive, even though it's just a MP3 player.
A games console is used almost daily by me, more often than some other devices I've paid over €300 without even thinking it was way too much for that device.

Of course I'd be happier if it only costs €200, but really, an extra €200 woud not mean that much to me, even though my income is average.

 

See that 3.2 GHz singallin rate for XDR was not the top . I think they miht use this faster XDR for the GPU, maybe pushing it to full 6.4 GHz of data signalling rate.

 

Well we've seen how Sony can be competitive when they need to be. They are selling PSP at a VERY good price, because they need to do well against the DS. With PS2, they were all alone for the first year, so they could price it the way they wanted to, and started lowering the price when they need to compete against GC and Xbox. And they could even afford to be more expensive than both competing consoles because they were selling like hotcakes, they had (still have) the biggest userbase and huge momenum.

When PS3 will come out, it will be priced very competitively because by thet time, MS will already have a userbase, and Sony know they can't scare their customers away with extortionate prices, or else they'll just get an Xbox2. The situation will be VERY different from this generation, so trying to draw comparisons is useless.

 

I hear a lot of people making these kinds of comparison, but it doesn't really make sense because an iPod doesn't require spending more money for content. It's like the razor and blade scenario, except with a console you're paying a lot for the razor up front then have to pay for the blades too. Also regarding cellphones most people don't spend hundreds on them, since most phones are subsidized by the phone and carrier companies. The people who buy unlocked phones for hundreds of dollars are few and far between and among that small group, they're mostly for business use which means it's an absolute necessity.

 

If they're using 4 XDR chips (512 Mbit each and 256 Mbyte in total) with 2-channels (64 bit total),

@ 3.2 GHz XDR chips ~ 25.6 Gbytes/s

@ 4.8 GHz XDR chips ~ 38.4 GBytes/s

@ 6.4 GHz XDR chips ~ 51.2 Gbytes/s

It's interesting that they say they have 6.4 GHz operational chips so there's hope for some fat bandwidth still!

 

Sorry..I was wrong..it's 38 Gbytes/s, not 30 Gbytes/s

 

English press release...

http://www.toshiba.co.jp/about/press/2005_03/pr3001.htm

 

So it looks they'll use this 4.8Ghz XDR DRAM for the PS3, if the PS3 launchs at 2005 Xmas.

 

Uh.. since when have they started giving away commercial music free?
Sure, a music cd doesn't cost as much as a game, but one could argue a music cd has "less" content anyway.
Or did you mean pirated music?
I am aware of that razor and blade analogy, but as I said, to me a €400 one time pay for a console hardware that I'll use at least 5 years is still acceptable.
Here where I live, you can only buy those "unlocked" phones, here's no subsidizions by carrier companies. A €300 is considered about average people pay for their cell phones, and they are often replaced more often than every 5 years.

 

The fact that they have them doesn't necessarily mean that they will use them, especially on a console where costs need to be contained.

Question is, more RAM or faster RAM?

 

If they're going to mass-produce this fast memory so soon there's only one reason, they have at least one big customer. PS3's GPU?...maybe

 

NUMA?

no eDRAM?

 

Dunno..but if they're going to have 50 GB/on just on the GPU..edream is ruled out, imho.

 

Stop thinking so small eXDR !!!!!!!!

 

maybe Sony will play to be the "big loss" leader in order to get into the living room first and in the fashion that MS, Nintendo or anyone else will find hard to follow... economies of scale should help them later to recuperate the cost if they are successful which in that case they will inevitabely be...

 

I think people are expecting a little too much from the PS3. I'm sure some are going to be in for a dissapointment.

Cheers

 

You're right...however..spill the beans!

 

Umh..just a moment, what does that mean?: