new (?) Rambus XDR memory and PlayStation 3 information

[jvd]

I don't think you will find bluray in the ps3 unless it costs under 20$ a drive

Hmmm...I see a confict in costs between *both* blu-ray and hardisks. I'd rather ditch Blu-ray for the harddisk, but Blu-ray is Sonys little 'trojan horse'!

heh. I'm sure they could be in a fast dvd drive of like 24x for around 5-10$ for the drive . I don't think they will be able to offer a price anywhere close to that for 2006/2007 for blueray

 

[jvd]

Just wanted to add. They will most likely have access to dvdrws in 2006/2007 for that cheap.

I would wager a 2xwrite/2xrewrite/24 read dvd rom with one standard for write would be very cheap. Under 10$ for the drive .

A drive like that would get rid of the need for memory cards. Perhaps have them write + and have the games stay as the - format to try and prevent pirating . They could even save room at the end of a game so you can write your saves to the actual game disc . The slow write speed would be more than enough to save small files but would make alot of people think twice about ripping content with the console it self

 

[j^aws]

I don't think you will find bluray in the ps3 unless it costs under 20$ a drive

Hmmm...I see a confict in costs between *both* blu-ray and hardisks. I'd rather ditch Blu-ray for the harddisk, but Blu-ray is Sonys little 'trojan horse'!

heh. I'm sure they could be in a fast dvd drive of like 24x for around 5-10$ for the drive . I don't think they will be able to offer a price anywhere close to that for 2006/2007 for blueray

Out of interest, how much of that $150 would contribute to the hardisk? $20-30? My gut feeling is that the hardisk will be an optional extra, that will be available at launch unlike this gen. And IMO, Sony wouldn't let *this* trojan horse slip through the net. They're after the vertical market in digital content and are probably willing to delay the PS3 until Blu-ray is ready.

 

[jvd]

I would say the hardrive would be more expensive than anything else. I'm sure to keep the system sleek if they added in a hardrive they would go with a small one like in the ipods . that other 150$ is for pcb , casing , heatsinks , controller ports , additional expansion ports all that fun stuff .

 

[j^aws]

Just wanted to add. They will most likely have access to dvdrws in 2006/2007 for that cheap.

I would wager a 2xwrite/2xrewrite/24 read dvd rom with one standard for write would be very cheap. Under 10$ for the drive .

A drive like that would get rid of the need for memory cards. Perhaps have them write + and have the games stay as the - format to try and prevent pirating . They could even save room at the end of a game so you can write your saves to the actual game disc . The slow write speed would be more than enough to save small files but would make alot of people think twice about ripping content with the console it self

Kutaragi would rather *eat* an xbox *sideways* than succumb to HD-DVD becoming the standard. Another Betamax with the investments made in Blu-ray would not please their board or investors...someone will get the chop!

Wouldn't you need a hard disk or two DVD drives to rip content? The concept sounds plausible, even could be done with re-writable blu-ray...but Sony's business is selling accessories with a high markup to recoup costs. They still haven't implemented 4 ports yet, multi-tap for $30 anyone? They could also mark-up the hard disk as an accessory but not with blu-ray.

 

[jvd]

IF blueray is to expensive it wont be in. Its that simple .

 

[j^aws]

IF blueray is to expensive it wont be in. Its that simple .

Would you as Sony CEO delay PS3 until Bluray is ready and cashin on the market penetration (and lowering costs of the drives with economies of scale) or let it slip through the net and hedge your bets on the open market? They luv their shiny little discs, what with a dual prong release of UMD onto the portable market and Blu-ray, they really want their fingers in every pie in the digital content world.

 

[Phil]

Given the importance of Bluray, Sony will more than likely go for the higher loss Bluray will cause them rather than not including it at all. Bluray's importance goes beyond PS3.

If the potential Bluray profits benefit Sony globally more than the losses would strain SCE for putting it in, it's going to be in there. It's that simple.

 

[jvd]

At a certian price point blueray will indanger the viabilty of the ps3.

if that happens you can bet your ass it wont be in the system.

Doesn't matter how important blueray is .

 

[j^aws]

At a certian price point blueray will indanger the viabilty of the ps3.

if that happens you can bet your ass it wont be in the system.

Doesn't matter how important blueray is .

There is always risk attached to a launch of any product and as with any project, there will always an upper limit to such a risk before a contingency plan kicks in

Edit: Personally I'd ditch both bluray and a hardisk and increase both RAM and Bandwidth!

 

[pc999]

A drive like that would get rid of the need for memory cards. Perhaps have them write + and have the games stay as the - format to try and prevent pirating . They could even save room at the end of a game so you can write your saves to the actual game disc . The slow write speed would be more than enough to save small files but would make alot of people think twice about ripping content with the console it self

I remenber that someone had said that is a plausible choise, in gamespot.
But after the M-System agreement I doubt that MS is going this way, let´s wait and see

 

[jvd]

At a certian price point blueray will indanger the viabilty of the ps3.

if that happens you can bet your ass it wont be in the system.

Doesn't matter how important blueray is .

There is always risk attached to a launch of any product and as with any project, there will always an upper limit to such a risk before a contingency plan kicks in

Edit: Personally I'd ditch both bluray and a hardisk and increase both RAM and Bandwidth!

Personaly if i was the company i would ditch as much as I could to get prices down really low. They might have a hell of a time if they launch last and have the most expensive console .

IF nintendo has compeitive hardware at a lower price point and so does ms and both have a year to six month head start sony might have a ton of trouble

 

[pc999]

BTW anyone know what is the cost for an X800/GF6800 chip, or a CPU chip?

 

[j^aws]

At a certian price point blueray will indanger the viabilty of the ps3.

if that happens you can bet your ass it wont be in the system.

Doesn't matter how important blueray is .

There is always risk attached to a launch of any product and as with any project, there will always an upper limit to such a risk before a contingency plan kicks in

Edit: Personally I'd ditch both bluray and a hardisk and increase both RAM and Bandwidth!

Personaly if i was the company i would ditch as much as I could to get prices down really low. They might have a hell of a time if they launch last and have the most expensive console .

IF nintendo has compeitive hardware at a lower price point and so does ms and both have a year to six month head start sony might have a ton of trouble

This is where Sony's marketing department comes in with *product differentiation*, they'll shout about Blu-ray, they'll shout about Cell, they'll shout about PSP integration, they'll shout about graphics and the nail in the coffin? They'll just announce FF13 and FF14, DQ9 and DQ10...game over for the rest?

 

[jvd]

This is where Sony's marketing department comes in with *product differentiation*, they'll shout about Blu-ray, they'll shout about Cell, they'll shout about PSP integration, they'll shout about graphics and the nail in the coffin? They'll just announce FF13 and FF14, DQ9 and DQ10...game over for the rest?

It wont be that simple. They wont be going against a broke sega that made a cheap console as a last ditch effort.

They wont have a year head start on the others either.

They will be going up against microsoft and nintendo who may have the lead shit time around .

 

[j^aws]

Can't wait for the three to finish their mind games and get their gloves off! 8)

Back to topic, I've now been brainwashed to accept the PS3 will have 128MB @ 25.6 GB/s, anything else will be a bonus! What I really want is a Cell workstation with 8GB @ 1 TB/s !

 

[Panajev2001a]

IF blueray is to expensive it wont be in. Its that simple .

This is where I see Sony saying "if there is a place we need to lose money to make money other than CELL is Blu-Ray".

Blu-Ray is part of a larger startegy for Sony Pictures and Sony Electronics: Sony wants Blu-Ray to succeed and if they are going toward a big company as MGM to make sure Blu-Ray has enough ammo I do not think they would miss the opportunity to get a quite big presence in the market thanks to PlayStation 3 ( even if it sells less thatn PlayStation 2, say 50 Millions instead of 70 Millions after ~3.5-4 years of each console's life-cycle, it will still mean 50 Million Blu-Ray players in the market, even though PlayStation 3 should not sell so much worse than PlayStation 2 even counting the greater strength of the competitors: I believe that the market is still expanding ).

 

[London Geezer]

Hmmm...I see a confict in costs between *both* blu-ray and hardisks. I'd rather ditch Blu-ray for the harddisk, but Blu-ray is Sonys little 'trojan horse'!

Not to be picky or geeky or anything, but technically PS3 (the box) would play the part of the Trojan Horse, which contains the "thing" (BlueRay) that Sony wants to stick in our houses whether we like it or not.

Ok, now i can retreat peacefully.

 

[jvd]

IF blueray is to expensive it wont be in. Its that simple .

This is where I see Sony saying "if there is a place we need to lose money to make money other than CELL is Blu-Ray".

Blu-Ray is part of a larger startegy for Sony Pictures and Sony Electronics: Sony wants Blu-Ray to succeed and if they are going toward a big company as MGM to make sure Blu-Ray has enough ammo I do not think they would miss the opportunity to get a quite big presence in the market thanks to PlayStation 3 ( even if it sells less thatn PlayStation 2, say 50 Millions instead of 70 Millions after ~3.5-4 years of each console's life-cycle, it will still mean 50 Million Blu-Ray players in the market, even though PlayStation 3 should not sell so much worse than PlayStation 2 even counting the greater strength of the competitors: I believe that the market is still expanding ).

If it sells less than the ps 1 and ps2 then it would be considered a failure by sony.

If ms gains market ground on the ps3 then it will be considered a failure to sony .

The more market they loose from generation to generation the easier it will be to loose more in the next generation.

tt

 

[Vince]

If ms gains market ground on the ps3 then it will be considered a failure to sony.

Your first point was pretty sound, hell, it's pretty intuitive, but this is just wrong. Microsoft is nothing but a leach on Sony and it's marketshare. The global set of console owners* is composed of a truely enormous subset of the Sony platform. It has to be 80-95% of this abstract set in size. This subset is matched by concurrent subsets based on the Nintendo and Microsoft platforms respectively, perhaps hovering in the area of 15-30% for each, with variences accordingly. Since I like you, here's a neat little visual:

[Global Set]
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[Subset: Nintendo]
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[Subset: Sony]
       --------------------------------------------------------------           

[Subset: Microsoft]
                                                            -------------

What to take away from this is that Sony is dominating the marketplace and that once you realize that Microsoft and Nintendo (MS in particular with recent Nintendo comment showing their attempt at differentiation IMHO) are sharing a majority percentage of their subset with Sony, that untill they do one of the following:

• Create unique [new] userbase, carve out niche
• Overtake Sony in [subset] size

Sony is winning and winning big. Especially in the current discussion on Blu-Ray penentration in which Sony's sub-set will carry the standard/platform to an enourmous amount of people irregardless of the MS or Nintendo gains in absolute numbers.


A loss for Sony is if PlayStation3 doesn't reach their [undisclosed] targets or reach the minimum bound set by precedent [eg. PS1, PS2]. As far as they are concerned, Microsoft is nothing but a leach. If I may inject a personal comment, a leach which is going to get burned badly and permently in the CE arena by the dynamics that have been set in motion.


* A somewhat abstract concept that I think of as not absolute consoles, but owners or, perhaps, households best covers the concept I'm going for.