Cell about to go into mass production.

[Paul]

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=2591208

Sony, Toshiba to tie up in new chip plant - Nikkei
Fri April 18, 2003 11:05 PM ET
TOKYO, April 19 (Reuters) - Consumer electronics giant Sony Corp 6758.T and Toshiba Corp 6502.T , Japan's largest chipmaker, will join hands in developing a new generation of semiconductors in a bid to take the lead in the field, Japanese media reported on Saturday.
Financial daily Nihon Keizai Shimbun (Nikkei) said the Sony group, the country's biggest user of chips, would invest abut 50 billion yen ($417.8 million) in a state-of-the-art semiconductor plant planned by Toshiba.

The two electronics giants would jointly build the facility to mass-produce a new microprocessing unit -- the key component of digital home electronics -- at Toshiba's Oita factory, and planned to have it in operation by 2004, the paper said.

Toshiba and the Sony group decided to tie up from the construction stage of the new facility in order to begin mass production at an early date, the Nikkei report said.

The new plant would mostly manufacture a new microprocessing unit now being developed jointly by Toshiba, Sony's videogame unit, Sony Computer Entertainment Inc (SCE) and IBM Corp IBM.N .

The new chip would be used in SCE's next-generation PlayStation game console, as well as high-performance home computers and other products.


I thought it wasn't going to be ready until 2007? Also funny how it states here how it's going to be inside ps3.

First we get designchain saying it's NOT going to be used, and this says different. I guess we will have to wait and see.

 

[MfA]

The joint development effort ends in 2007, the plan at the start was to go into production in 2005 though.

 

[Paul]

Well then I guess the Designchain article was wrong, Cell is ready to go into production by 2004... And it will be used in ps3 one shape or another.

 

[MfA]

They said it was a guess.

 

[Paul]

What was a guess? The designchain article?

 

[MfA]

Yes, they only said it suggested the chip would be ready in 2007. So they arent really wrong as such.

 

[Paul]

I agree with you, however now because of this BS half the internet belives cell won't be in ps3!

It's sad really.

 

[vers]

SONY the KING

 

[DeathKnight]

A guess? I thought Ken himself said it wouldn't be used in the PS3 :?

 

[vrecan]

not one part of that article says anything about cell.. you guys are just implying that it will be cell. It just states that they are building a factor to mass produce something they are jointly developing which will go in the ps3 does not say what exactly.

 

[DeathKnight]

That's what I noticed as well when I replied to a similar thread over at the Rage3D boards.

 

[Paul]

"not one part of that article says anything about cell.. you guys are just implying that it will be cell. It just states that they are building a factor to mass produce something they are jointly developing which will go in the ps3 does not say what exactly."

Oh dear god, Toshiba, SCE, IBM. This IS Cell.

"The new chip would be used in SCE's next-generation PlayStation game console, as well as high-performance home computers and other products."

Happen to read that? Why would PS3's CPU go into home computers and other products?

Oh wait, but Cell can. Cell is scaliable, it can go inside of a PS3, HDTV, PDA all types of things.

Please, use your brains.

 

[DeathKnight]

So you'd gladly ignore what a recent magazine has said in favor of a Reuter's report detailing what you want to happen....

From the mag:

Although Sony refuses to talk about its future plans for the chip, it does admit that the Cell chip will not be the CPU in the Playstation3, reportedly slated for release in 2005.

http://www.designchain.com/coverstory.asp?issue=spring03

 

[Paul]

They denied emotion engine being in ps2 when it was being made too, over and over again.

are you also forgetting the vice president of sony computer entertainment saying that cell technology would be used in ps3 at gdc 2002?

finally allow me to quote vince, but with your name in the fray.

So Deathknight, in your omnipresent opinion - do you really think SCE (eg. The Playstation Division) has a concurrent R&D program to Cell for PS3 inwhich their sinking $300Million+ into? Give me a break. Ohh, and the funds for this chip aren't acountable in any Qrt or Yearly Reports. So very Groom-Lake-esque.

 

[DeathKnight]

Do I need to repeat myself? ROFL! You're going to completely ignore the other report in favor of the Reuters report simply because it details things that you want to happen. Does the idea that Sony might not be using the Cell design in PS3 really bother you that much?

 

[MfA]

They are both equally useless, even ignoring that they dont even give attributable quotes from an actual person ... they are attributing statements to Sony, does it really matter what they say? Ignore everything from Ken&compatriots, performance related or otherwise.

 

[Paul]

So deathknight explain this?

http://makeashorterlink.com/?G54325344

If Cell isn't going to be used in ps3 like you claim, then why the direct reference to ps3 in the patent?

Don't go on another "omfg u only liek belive wha j00 want to hear!!11" because it doesn't hold up.

 

[Paul]

"You're going to completely ignore the other report in favor of the Reuters report simply because it details things that you want to happen."

I ignore the other report because it was based on speculation. This is PROOF, there is nothing specutive or questionable about sony building the plants for cell is there?

 

[DeathKnight]

Sony wanted it for the PS3. If the chip can't be completed in its entirety in enough time for it to be mass produced to meet the PS3 launch date then it's a no go. Don't you think it's wise to have a backup plan? Sony's still involved, it can still be used in future Sony products.

A plant being built for future chip fabbing could be used for any number of things. But somehow its use for one specific purpose, ie. the Cell chip for Sony's products, is "official" because of this report. Hell, all of the info is now "official" because of this report

Instead of remaining neutral, you want to side with the Reuters report because it suits your fancy.

I'm neutral. I don't know what to believe because things can change with the snap of a finger. Sony may or may not be using Cell for the PS3.

 

[Paul]

"Sony wanted it for the PS3. If the chip can't be completed in its entirety in enough time for it to be mass produced to meet the PS3 launch date then it's a no go."

They plan to have it up and running by 2004, read the damn news article. I already went through this, the whole cell MAY be delayed to 2007 thing was a rumour, hint the MAY. And it has been proved WRONG by this news article, why can't you get it?

"A plant being built for future chip fabbing could be used for any number of things. But somehow its use for one specific purpose, ie. the Cell chip for Sony's products, is "official" because of this report."

It's called news, they obviously got it from the people who are making the plant correct? Therfor it's true.

"stead of remaining neutral, you want to side with the Reuters report because it suits your fancy."

Nope, it makes sense that's why.

Cell is going into mass production in 2004 as news article suggests, end of story. And at this rate, there is no reason why it shouldn't be in ps3 especially since the article says the chip will go inside ps3. are you saying reuters is lying?