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Business Approach Comparison Sony PS4 and Microsoft Xbox
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No it wouldn't look clean, it would just look more cluttered...
It looks less cluttered because half the memory chips are hidden on the other side due to necessity not aesthetics....
If they could they would, but they couldn't so they didn't...
MS could've mounted half the memory chips on the other side too but they had more real estate to work with so they didn't need to...they were not concerned about hiding chips. In fact having a double sided board just makes it harder to cool the memory chips...
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No it wouldn't look clean, it would just look more cluttered...
It looks less cluttered because half the memory chips are hidden on the other side due to necessity not aesthetics....
If they could they would, but they couldn't so they didn't...
MS could've mounted half the memory chips on the other side too but they had more real estate to work with so they didn't need to...they were not concerned about hiding chips. In fact having a double sided board just makes it harder to cool the memory chips...
Ps4 ram setup isn't for aesthetics. Who cares about how clutter a mb looks. It's a matter of function.
I didn't say it was...
Did you read what I wrote?
They had to put the other half of RAM on the other side due to necessity not aesthetics...ie "clam shell" mode for the GDDR5. This allowed the side benefit of having a less cluttered looking board which is what every SONY fanboy is gushing over...
I didn't say it was...
Did you read what I wrote?
They had to put the other half of RAM on the other side due to necessity not aesthetics...ie "clam shell" mode for the GDDR5. This allowed the side benefit of having a less cluttered looking board which is what every SONY fanboy is gushing over...
I guess I am in that fanboy category of yours, but only thing I have heard is 1. Xbox is better designed, 2. Sony had to use both sides, so Sony looks better designed, because Xbox uses only 1 side.
I still do not understand why Xbox is better designed, you mention heating is controlled easier with 1 side usage, but is that what is meant by better designed? I am no expert or have any knowledge about layouts, I just said it looked more elegant. So please educate me on why the Xbox one is better, because I actually do what to learn. It does not really matter which one is better in the end, just like to know more about it.
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First of all neither one is "better" they're both laid out by function. XBO is bigger because they wanted all the RAM on one side for easier manufacturing as well as cooling.
PS4 board needed to use both sides for RAM due to trace sharing in clam shell mode.
Anyway I don't think CYAN was claiming XBO board looked better designed than PS4. I think he said it looked to be better quality compared previous generation Xbox boards and I agree. He also said PS4 board looked worse than PS3 which I have no opinion on since I don't remember what the original PS3 board looked like.
PS4 board needed to use both sides for RAM due to trace sharing in clam shell mode.
Anyway I don't think CYAN was claiming XBO board looked better designed than PS4. I think he said it looked to be better quality compared previous generation Xbox boards and I agree. He also said PS4 board looked worse than PS3 which I have no opinion on since I don't remember what the original PS3 board looked like.
No, in his original post he was comparing the Xbox One motherboard directly with the PS4's:
Cyan said:
All this discussion has really uncovered is that system boards are an excellent Rorschach test for internal biases, apparently.
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How did you read it?
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I can't follow your posts. Statements leap about all over the place littered with winky emoticons. I don't know if you're serious or trying to be funny but I have no idea what you're trying to say. I'm not sure you are other than defending something related to Xbox.
RudeCurve was saying nothing about either mobo being better. With the assertion "PS4 mobo looks cleaner," RudeCurve argues that it only looks cleaner out of necessity to move the other RAM chips to the back of the board. If MS also put half the RAM chips at the back of the board, their mobo would also look clean, while if Sony moved all their RAM chips to the front (ignoring RAM requirements), their mobo would look cluttered.
I think everyone can agree that if all the chips on the PS4 were moved to the same side, it would look more cluttered. Whether it'd look as cluttered is another discussion
I think everyone can agree that if all the chips on the PS4 were moved to the same side, it would look more cluttered. Whether it'd look as cluttered is another discussion
and a truly, truly sad one where people would have to count components and define what 'cluttered' even means - number of components, or components per unit area, or ratio area of components versus area of open motherboard - and decide what effect track shape has to play on clutteredness, blah blah
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If the assertion is PS4 looks cleaner out of design necessity then that's incorrect. The clamshell mode of GDDR5 doesn't require a double-sided PCB, which requires extra care as you machine connections through the vias and not just to the surface of the board. Given the ample space on the PS4 board, it would have been much cheaper to simply diverge the two chips from the connection in a 180 eight degree fan arrangement - which would be optimal for cooling as well.
I quite bewildered why Sony chose the approach they did. Perhaps it was a design/pride thing like the PlayStation screw holding the HDD in place
No, maybe you misremembered before, but you're willfully misreading it now. There is no context required. I don't know why you feel the need to retcon what Cyan said. He can defend himself if he feels he should. What's bizarre is you trying to reframe the discussion by putting words in his mouth when anyone can go back and see what he actually posted in this thread just like I did.
I quite bewildered why Sony chose the approach they did. Perhaps it was a design/pride thing like the PlayStation screw holding the HDD in place
Design pride like the screw? I think the screw is an obvious cool thing to do. Maybe it's product pride. But how it would relate to the placement of RAM chips is beyond me.
This is just wild guess, buy maybe one of the biggest and best CE companies in the world decided this was the way to do it. The Ps4 is a freaking powerplay when it comes to CE devices. Just like their a7r,they are masters of this game. And doing anything but using the enormous know how they have would have been very very stupid.
And this is not a Microsoft diss, imho they did a great job with their tools, and by common sense they will do a lot better than they did with the 360 design. So let's be happy that we got two good solutions instead of something else..
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When you layout a PCB you only go multilayer or double sided when you run out of real estate. There is plenty of space, far more than they needed to out all the GDDR5 on one side.
They didn't need to do this.
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GDDR5 doesn't require same-length paths?
That's completely new to me. What about DDR4?
So you are saying they did this to show off? Reading this
http://vr-zone.com/articles/sony-engineer-unveils-functional-beauty-ps4s-cooling-system/69852.html
i would say it was a choice based on anything but showing off, unless you consider the cooling system a show off. Which it is of course, everything in one tiny case including the PSU..
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No, I already said I don't know why they did this. There are no spacial, electrical, thermal or engineering a reasons for doing this. It is unnecessary. There is lots of space on the top of the board, far more than they needed to accommodate the GDDR5 at the chip density choice they went with.
