Business Approach Comparison Sony PS4 and Microsoft Xbox

Who doesnt like the ideal of going to get a snack or a drink and telling your console to load a game as you pass by and then having it already at the start screen when you sit down with some beer and peanuts?
Me! I really don't like the idea of voice control. I don't see issue with remote controls. The problem is having 5 of the things for controlling multiple devices. One remote that does everything is all that's needed.

Incidentally, how does Kinect manage things like volume control? "Xbox, volume down thirty percent"? "Xbox, open TV settings. Xbox, go to picture mode. Xbox set movie"? I'm still seeing a need for the remote, or at least a non-verbal interface such as Kinect hand tracking - I'd be happy with that, pointing at the screen and pressing the hand forwards to 'press' the button.
 
I believe the IR blasters will be used for everyone else though I definitely see the IR blaster setup being a huge headache for many plus the different naming conventions based on mfr. I don't use CEC at all in my setup just my Harmony remote RF/IR and I have probably a 90% success rate with it but its frustrating as hell when it doesn't work properly. I can see all types of complaints coming MSFTs way with this type of setup. They better have a damn good setup video...

I kinda see IR blasters on the XBOX One to be the equivalent of people complaining about Apple sealing in the battery on the MacBook Air or having no Ethernet jack on the Retina MacBook Pro: many will complain, most will get over it.

If anything, I really expect the cable integration to be slow over the next 5 years or so. When you take a look at what all the standard can do, it does make you sort of believe there's a future where all of this just works (at least until no one bothers with cable TV anymore and everyone cuts the cord): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDMI-CEC#CEC
 
Thankfully, a glance at the bigger picture reveals that this is more a question of presentation than strategy. Microsoft will invest no less than $1 billion into games next gen - an unprecedented sum for the firm - and Xbox One will see 15 exclusive titles in its first year at retail, including eight new IPs. All that's on top of a two-year period of bulking up, which has seen Microsoft Studios open new games studios in London, Washington and Victoria, British Columbia while snapping up talent for its existing operations.

Core gaming powerhouses 343 Studios, Lionhead and Turn 10 have all seen significant appointments - Lionhead, for instance, now runs under the supervision of MMO expert John Needham, in further evidence that the rumoured Fable 4 will be a cloud-centric affair. Microsoft has hired former Sony executive Phil Harrison - the man who oversaw the gestation of such noted PlayStation IPs as LittleBigPlanet - to manage internal projects and developer relations in Europe. Rare Ltd is poised to return to one of its cherished franchises in what Microsoft Studios boss Phil Spencer bills a "historic" revival.

Black Tusk Studios is working on a mysterious action title that's designed to compete with Halo and Gears of War. Microsoft has opened Lift London to create and incubate smaller scale cloud-based games. New projects are underway at Microsoft Studios Osaka, reflecting IEB president Don Mattrick's assertion that the company remains "committed" to Japan. Perhaps most hearteningly, Microsoft has acquired Press Play and Twisted Pixel to work on "weird, unique" titles for Xbox Live. In short, there's a lot more bubbling away under the surface than the Xbox One event suggests.

A new Microsoft Studio in Osaka.
 
Me! I really don't like the idea of voice control. I don't see issue with remote controls. The problem is having 5 of the things for controlling multiple devices. One remote that does everything is all that's needed.

Incidentally, how does Kinect manage things like volume control? "Xbox, volume down thirty percent"? "Xbox, open TV settings. Xbox, go to picture mode. Xbox set movie"? I'm still seeing a need for the remote, or at least a non-verbal interface such as Kinect hand tracking - I'd be happy with that, pointing at the screen and pressing the hand forwards to 'press' the button.

Volume control over HDMI-CEC is pretty universal. Any TV built after 2009 is absolutely going to have it. Same with play, pause, fast foward and rewind. I currently use my Samsung Smart TV remote to control my PS3 for Blu-ray playback. In fact, all I need to do is select "PlayStation 3" as an input source and it automatically turns on my AV receiver, my PS3, and switches my AV receiver to the proper input.

Like I said, when it works, it's awesome. But the setup needed to get it there won't be in everyone's home in the beginning (then again, if you are buying a $500 console on day one, I think you can spare the change).
 
The more I read through this thread, I am wondering if there is some general disconnect between how television/sports are consumed in the States vs other locales. .


yes there seems to be an extra layer of disgust for this reveal from people outside of the US ... do not know whether that is misplaced or they are confused by MS US-centric message or premature assuming MS KNOWS EU and UK and other territories are important for them and they will want to serve them.
 
A distracting image of tv stuff slapped on top of my game or playing a game in a miniaturized picture slapped on top of tv stuff?

Yeah, forcing an attention deficit on myself is everything I'll ever want for ultimate entertainment :rolleyes:
give this man a prize.
if this is being heavily advertised as a feature then all i can say is the device is feature deficient.

i remember back in the times i used to play games, eg stargate & wishing it would be really cool if i could watch 'days of our lives' on the screen at the same time. someone please tell me theyre not pushing this 'feature'
ha ha ha man thats funny
 
I used to have a PIP of a game while watching some recording off the DVR or watching TV. It was on a old Sony CRT which had the ability to have two sources displayed side by side.

PIP used to be really popular with some VCRs and TVs but seemed to have waned.

Anyways, the old TV could only play audio from one of the pictures and I could toggle between them or change the sizes of the pictures. But really your attention waned. It was good while watching a sporting event kind of in the background but if you wanted to watch a show or a movie, your attention wasn't quite there.

Interesting curiosity factor but again, not something worth paying a service fee for.
 
give this man a prize.
if this is being heavily advertised as a feature then all i can say is the device is feature deficient.

i remember back in the times i used to play games, eg stargate & wishing it would be really cool if i could watch 'days of our lives' on the screen at the same time. someone please tell me theyre not pushing this 'feature'
ha ha ha man thats funny

I think there are more people that want the functionality of using their big screen the way they want to then those who claim attention deficit disorder. *shrug*

There are people who look things up while watching programs. XB1 allows you to use the small screen or the big screen to do that.

Some people want to play their game until their show actually starts. XB! allows you to do that with a simple display pane switch. Or watch tv a a watch a stock market ticker, or news ticker, or look up the weather, or the sports scores. Big screens have vast real estate that a considerable percentage people which they could manage they way they want not just how the provider wants or based on the limits of device.

I could see myself pinning things to right of whatever im watching regularly. Then when i dont want it or need tell it go away. I can use a button, voice or hand gestures.. why are those options a problem?
 
Optional being an operative word here though eh?


Using the feature is optional, but paying for the hardware+software required for it when purchasing the console is not.

I bet most people would rather pay $10 less for a console without HDMI-in.
 
Using the feature is optional, but paying for the hardware+software required for it when purchasing the console is not.

I bet most people would rather pay $10 less for a console without HDMI-in.
I bet most people will love this function, if it also works well enough with cheap free to air HD tuner boxes.
 
Using the feature is optional, but paying for the hardware+software required for it when purchasing the console is not.

I bet most people would rather pay $10 less for a console without HDMI-in.
most people would also rather pay $50 less for a console without kinect/eyetoy/wuublet. And have the option to buy it later if they want to.
 
Me! I really don't like the idea of voice control. I don't see issue with remote controls. The problem is having 5 of the things for controlling multiple devices. One remote that does everything is all that's needed.

Incidentally, how does Kinect manage things like volume control? "Xbox, volume down thirty percent"? "Xbox, open TV settings. Xbox, go to picture mode. Xbox set movie"? I'm still seeing a need for the remote, or at least a non-verbal interface such as Kinect hand tracking - I'd be happy with that, pointing at the screen and pressing the hand forwards to 'press' the button.

Thats all thats needed by you. What we need is a solution applicable to desires and needs of the many.

In terms of how Kinect manages things is dependent on MS. But a device that can make use of natural language offers far more utility and a smaller learning curve, while being vastly more efficient than can be facillitated by button pushes outside of very basic operations.
 
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Every person that has ever purchased an NFL ticket package...ever? EDIT: You can't listen to music and chat...at the same time...you're going to need a different analogy or else every party or coffeeshop in existence would be offered as proof that many/most people can do exactly that.
The music may be playing but it becomes just noise in the background :rolleyes:
And no listening to music and chatting through skype from the same source is not the same as being at a coffee shop with music in the background
The more I read through this thread, I am wondering if there is some general disconnect between how television/sports are consumed in the States vs other locales. I'm not suggesting one is better than the other, simply, different. I mean we have multiple hours per day/week dedicated to Fantasy leagues and if you've never seen/experienced it, you would naturally be indifferent and not understand why there is potential for MS' strategic alliances to be a big deal. I'm not suggesting that fantasy football is a 1:1 equivalent of SONY and UEFA but I AM suggesting that the NFL is a MAJOR deal even from only a co-marketing standpoint and I say that to mean that even if MSFT only had a deal with the NFL and nothing with EA that it is still a very important deal.

http://us.playstation.com/ps3/nhl/
 
or cable box. and pretty much thats it.

The AVR setup could be somewhat tricky i'll admit. A friend and i were trying to decide whether the AVR would recieve the XB1s output or be an input source. Dunno.

You would go from the XB1 HDMI out to your AVR, and then just never switch the input on the AVR. What else do people (not the people in here, "regular" people :p ) do in their living room that obviating HDMI inputs for a cable box and Blu Ray player don't cover? (not counting the various ways in which people globally acquire Live TV)



Your point? This app is on a ton of devices including 360 and Apple TV.

Me! I really don't like the idea of voice control. I don't see issue with remote controls. The problem is having 5 of the things for controlling multiple devices. One remote that does everything is all that's needed.

Incidentally, how does Kinect manage things like volume control? "Xbox, volume down thirty percent"? "Xbox, open TV settings. Xbox, go to picture mode. Xbox set movie"? I'm still seeing a need for the remote, or at least a non-verbal interface such as Kinect hand tracking - I'd be happy with that, pointing at the screen and pressing the hand forwards to 'press' the button.

The UI in the living room has to evolve in some way, surely we won't be here in 50 years from now pointing remotes at stuff and pushing buttons though, will we?
 
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Using the feature is optional, but paying for the hardware+software required for it when purchasing the console is not.

I bet most people would rather pay $10 less for a console without HDMI-in.

I doubt it. I'd bet most would be willing to pay the extra $10 just in case they were ever compelled to use it. Usually the price difference between skus aren't justified by the BOM of additional hardware thats added.
 
Volume control over HDMI-CEC is pretty universal.
I didn't mean technical details, but implementation. How do you control those functions? Do you really change volume with voice commands?

Thats all thats needed by you. What we need is a solution applicable to desires and needs of the many.
Sure. I never said otherwise. Just presenting myself as on example of someone who's not impressed with your suggestion that everyone is in favour of being able to give voice commands to your console.

The UI in the living room has to evolve in some way, surely we won't be here in 50 years from now pointing remotes at stuff and pushing buttons though, will we?
Is it really going to be StarTrek style voice commands? I find that hard to believe, but maybe I'm the minority and the future is voice control.
 
I didn't mean technical details, but implementation. How do you control those functions? Do you really change volume with voice commands?

Sure. I never said otherwise. Just presenting myself as on example of someone who's not impressed with your suggestion that everyone is in favour of being able to give voice commands to your console.

Is it really going to be StarTrek style voice commands? I find that hard to believe, but maybe I'm the minority and the future is voice control.

Voice commands are far better than sole button persons in many situations because the computer can understand context. When you see the speed which speech to text systems can work with such tremendous accuracy right in front of your eyes, I think it's pretty clear. Here's a good video from Google I/O 2 weeks ago: http://youtu.be/s26Xhdk57Rs

Most noticeably, this system understands the meaning behind words like "it", "here" and "there" when doing a search because you can say "Play the movie Daniel Craig starred in last year" far faster than trying to fumble around to get to the same point with a controller.
 
I didn't mean technical details, but implementation. How do you control those functions? Do you really change volume with voice commands?

Sure. I never said otherwise. Just presenting myself as on example of someone who's not impressed with your suggestion that everyone is in favour of being able to give voice commands to your console.

And? Asking "who doesn't not want to be a slave?" isn't going to be underminded by a person saying "I do". I hope we are talking generalities not absolutes.

I think there are far more people who like the ideal of remoteless control from anywhere in their living room versus people who think remotes are the apex of TV control.
 
Am I the only one that turns down the volume on the TV when I don't want to disturb my significant other? Having to say "mute" or "volume down" defeats the purpose of muting in the first place. Also, voice commands seem like they would only work well for folks living alone - "What did you say honey? What do you mean be quiet. . .how rude!"

=)

At least with a remote there is one point of control. With voice what happens when everyone in the room wants something different?

That said, I can see Kinect based gestures working better but voice control seems like the wrong solution for the living room.

Cheers
 
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