How did you do random checks?
Business Approach Comparison Sony PS4 and Microsoft Xbox
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How did you do random checks?
Ask people (friends, relatives and coworkers) I met. ^_^
These folks don't play a lot of games but they have heard about the "no used game" news from elsewhere.
And yes, they are not on the preorder lists. Some just laughed at me, some shook their head. Some just said PS4.
As far as I'm aware there aren't any numbers, and never had been, other than the general (and likely correct) belief that PS4 was collecting preorders faster.
Well, it seemed like they initially wanted digital only, and then internal politics and fearful executives wanted to make sure they had discs and then it just kept changing and they never had anything solidified as they kept reacting to rumours even before their official announcement. The "phone home" requirement necessitated by discs changed from some period less than an hour to once a day, with more than one change inbetween maybe. They just never had a solid plan that they stuck with.
It should be noted, that afaik, there never was a mentioning that Kinect voice control needed an Internet connection. That could have partly been an excuse for the always connected requirement.
There also was a legal aspect in regards to used games on discs, which is kind a surprising, since one should think that ms would have researched such issues.
Pffft. Here they didnt care about the gaming press stories that would come after an announcement that XB1 was going to require internet to run your disk games
Making Voice Commands cloud based would have had a mild effect
Seeing as I speak Afrikaans fluently, I suspect my pronunciation would not be all that different to yours.PS: and lol at verboten...would love to hear you guys pronounce it
Where can I find these numbers?
I do agree it likely PS4 has more consumer interest, but I couldn't resist. I also continue to doggedly think XB1 has a real chance at winning Nov NPD based on more supply available, even if I expect PS4 would win if they had enough
I know. I dont actually disagree with your premise. Just being pedantic I guess.
But I still would say very good chance XB1 wins Nov NPD based on more supply. I just have this feeling, backed up with a bit of anecdotal evidence here and there (the odd GAF post of "My Wal Mart had more XB1 preorders available than pS4" type things that run counter to conventional wisdom, the fact of XB1 preorders still being open in some places). Of course NPD is only for the USA we should keep in mind it is MS strong suit.
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http://www.businessinsider.com/anot...-wifi-makes-cord-cutter-myth-turn-real-2013-9
It doesn't look like Microsoft's foray into TV is a good long-term bet even for the US..
It doesn't look like Microsoft's foray into TV is a good long-term bet even for the US..
I saw MS response to this the other day, maybe it was the Penello interview...
Basically they said they care how people get their TV, it can be IPTV or what have you, they're positioned to handle it blah blah.
I'd love to be a cord cutter, I think one of the biggest obstacles, well I dont think, it is, is live sports.
It's very hard to cut the cord if you're a sports fan. It's all a big racket not a free market.
People have been predicting the end of Cable TV for DECADES now and they're still going strong. The large number you see mentioned is not the real number as a significant portion of those have switched from Cable to Telephone TV or from Cable to Satellite providers. That is the sensational but significantly misleading number they always use to get page visits.
- There were 366,000 total net losses across all TV/broadband subs in Q2, according to SNL Kagan.
- The rate of losses is increasing. In Q2 2012, only 325,000 subs were lost
- But telco companies — internet providers who also supply cable TV, in other words — gained 400,000.
- 911,000 U.S. homes have cut the cord in the past year, according to MoffettNathanson.
- top cable MSOs had 50.5 million video subs, ahead of satellite’s 34 million, and the top telcos’ 10.03 million
I think it's still a good move, considering the real stats behind what you posted. What they have switched to is typically some streaming media service such as Netflix/Hulu/Amazon/Etcs or simply using free Over The Air. In that regards Microsoft already has integration with those streaming services covered. For coverage of those switching to over-the-air or satellite subscribers as long as that piece of equipment provides HDMI signal, the Xbox One has the integration covered. They're poised to support all 94.53 million subscribers from the top providers.
Still it's up to the reader to be misinformed from being sensationalized or to be educated.
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Sensationalized or not, what I read was:
- A large number of cable subscribers changed to on-demand services like netflix and hulu in 2012.
- The rate of losses to on-demand is increasing YoY.
My comment was for long-term, so it was not for 2015 or 2014 and certainly not for 2013 (where the xbone will only operate for 1 month in a dozen countries).
As Rangers said, I guess the sports fans might be the last to ever change, but at least for tv shows and movies the on-demand way is drastically more convenient.
Cable companies supposedly make most of their money from data now.
Even if people cut cable TV for Netflix, they control the pipes. They also raise the price of data if you don't get TV with them.
I think there's been an overall decline in TV viewerships which has spanned a few decades now. That has more to do with Internet rather than the more recent cord-cutting phenomenon. That is, people cutting out TV altogether, though services like Netflix and availability of DVDs allow people to do something in between.
Even if people cut cable TV for Netflix, they control the pipes. They also raise the price of data if you don't get TV with them.
I think there's been an overall decline in TV viewerships which has spanned a few decades now. That has more to do with Internet rather than the more recent cord-cutting phenomenon. That is, people cutting out TV altogether, though services like Netflix and availability of DVDs allow people to do something in between.
Here's what I see...
Even if the rate of cord-cutting increases 100% next year (but it won't) and remains there (2 million cord-cutters a year), it will be at least 12 years until the TV subscribers dip down to 71 million from the top providers in the US alone (94.5 million is current number). That's around or more than the total number of Xbox 360 consoles sold to date world-wide over it's entire lifespan. It's still a major feature that could be used by more people than they have ever sold to before.
So ToTTenTranz, long-term it doesn't amount to anything.
Even if the rate of cord-cutting increases 100% next year (but it won't) and remains there (2 million cord-cutters a year), it will be at least 12 years until the TV subscribers dip down to 71 million from the top providers in the US alone (94.5 million is current number). That's around or more than the total number of Xbox 360 consoles sold to date world-wide over it's entire lifespan. It's still a major feature that could be used by more people than they have ever sold to before.
So ToTTenTranz, long-term it doesn't amount to anything.
Plus I think just controlling your TV via voice commands is the real compelling feature. I dont suppose it matters whether you say "Xbox, ESPN" or "Xbox, Netflix", really.
I've started playing with voice on my phone recently (android phone, I guess it's been there but I've not used it) and it actually is pretty cool and works pretty well. The obvious use case is while you're driving, but I even use it at home because it's just simpler than typing for search.
But the mic is much closer to you...
I had a Kinect before and the voice control did not seem to work well, such that I wonder if I had a defective Kinect somehow. It felt like I had to yell at it. Hopefully 2.0 is better.
I've started playing with voice on my phone recently (android phone, I guess it's been there but I've not used it) and it actually is pretty cool and works pretty well. The obvious use case is while you're driving, but I even use it at home because it's just simpler than typing for search.
But the mic is much closer to you...
I had a Kinect before and the voice control did not seem to work well, such that I wonder if I had a defective Kinect somehow. It felt like I had to yell at it. Hopefully 2.0 is better.
