Blu-Ray Vs. DVD
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If BR fails in the format war (Hollywood back HD-DVD and all big movies come out only on HD-DVD) then I can see that maybe even being a win for the PS3 (although Sony won't be happy). If there are no BR drives other than in the PS3 then piracy will be almost non-existant similar to the funky GC discs. On the other hand I can see piracy being rampant on the XB360 with dual-layer DVD burners already dirt cheap. I guess the big push for online gaming (where validation is possible) will mitigate this somewhat but I still think that piracy might end up a real big problem for the XB360. So yeah, I think Sony made the right decision to go with BR, whether it succeeds or not.
jvd said:
Why would prices stop falling if there is still a healthy profit margin? Really, why?
Look at DVD players. Weren't you the one (I thought it was you) mentioning that now $25 DVD players can be bought. Seems pretty close to the break even point to me. Why are HDTVs any different than DVD players in this regard?
Now HDTVs won't go down to $25(because they're more costly to make) but the point still stands; the very same mechanism is in place regardless if it's HDTVs, Toaster Ovens, PCs, Cordless Phones, or Fast Food.
Your argument is contingent upon all of the world's HDTV manufacturers getting together and saying, "we all have to agree to sell our TVs are a certain price." This argument instantly breaks down because the manufacturers aren't on even ground to begin with in just about every possible factor (mindshare, technology, process costs, etc.)
Geeforcer said:
That's exactly my point. What existed in place before HDTVs will continue to work FOR HDTVs.
PC-Engine said:
Nope. But rest assured, if BR becomes the dominent next gen platform, then EVERY studio will put out content on it. And yes, the same is true for HD-DVD; if it becomes the winner, then even Columbia will jump ship I'm sure.
And because you can build an HD-DVD HTPC for $400 doesn't mean it's mass market. Far from it actually as 99% of the PC owners out there probably don't build their own.
and its that reason why they want a new format . They were very upset with it droping so quickly in price .
actually your wrong . toaster ovens , pcs , cordless phones all cost the same amount of money as they allways did for high quality ones . Of course u can get crappy toaster ovens , pcs and cordless phones for less than you could get crappy ones 10 years ago .
As for fast food that has steadly been going up . When i was a freshmen in highschool i could get a 2 burger value meal supersized for 3.50$ now that would cost me almost 5$ for a large
jvd said:
Says who? Once the low-end players like Cyberhome, etc. get their hands on HDTVs, they're going to come out with low-end products, just like they've done for every piece of electronics in existence.
jvd said:
No I'm not at all wrong and economics 101 agrees with me. The point is that competition between the various Toaster Oven manufacturers dropped the prices as low as possible. I did not EVER claim that prices would fall indefinitely, just that prices would NOT be fixed just because the Toaster Oven manufactuers decided they weren't making enough.
You on the other hand are asserting that TV manufacturers would put in place an artificial floor for prices.
Please give us ONE example of this occuring today(and OPEC doesn't count for a myriad # of reasons - besides, the member countries cheat on their output quote all the time).
jvd said:
See above. Not at all the point I was making.
PCs cost the same? You must be out of your mind. In 99, my employer bought top of the line Dell systems (PII-450/128 MB RAM/DVD drive/17GB HD, etc) for $2500. A few of months ago, we again bough top of the line systems from them (P4-640, 1GB RAM, 250MB HDD, etc) for $1400, which would be around $1000 in 1999 dollars. I could bring up $8900 IMB desktops from the late 80s, but I think my point is made already.
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Goragoth said:
Since the PS3 will have a harddrive bay no-blue ray writers won't stop piracy. The hard drive is the perfered place for pirates to put games now. You can have a library of games and never have to get off the couch and get the benifit of faster load times.
Are you saying I know three people with HD Loader and questionable morals? ARE YOU?!quest55720 said:
I resent your implication, sir!
mckmas8808
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Why are we smart guys trying to debate with litterly ONE person. jvd you do not, I repeat do not know what you are talking about. Everyone here knows it. Your talking like you don't even know your a mod. I would never have thought that a person in your position would make such comments.
You actually think that HDTV prices won't fall. :? What is wrong with you. Look check this out.
This HDTV cost $1200 it's a 52" RCA
This HDTV cost $1500 its a Phillips 60"
This HDTV cost $550 its a Toshiba 26"
3 years ago prices like this couldn't be found in a HDTV price. And three years from now the price will be even lower.
You actually think that HDTV prices won't fall. :? What is wrong with you. Look check this out.
This HDTV cost $1200 it's a 52" RCA
This HDTV cost $1500 its a Phillips 60"
This HDTV cost $550 its a Toshiba 26"
3 years ago prices like this couldn't be found in a HDTV price. And three years from now the price will be even lower.
actually out tv is the smae price as it was last year .
Actually the only thing people here know is if you speak your mind and its not pro sony those who only want sony to succeed like you and geforce come in and bash that person.
Will prices go down ? sure but there is no way to predict how fast the prices go down and for the top of the line model it will allways be expensive and the units with less features will allways sell for less . People here make general statements like 1080p tvs being the main sellers in the next year and we don't know at what price things will level off .
People here like to fly off the handle and sprout bs foaming at the mouth and its getting tiring having to listen to every person say oh your a mod your not allowed to talk when they know they are wrong and are trying to look for a way around the conversation .
The last person who said that looked like an ass when he finaly read the thread through and realised it was him who missread everything even though he went off the handle on me .
This post once again a person didn't read the post correctly and was quick to attack my point of view off something he miss read .
Actually the only thing people here know is if you speak your mind and its not pro sony those who only want sony to succeed like you and geforce come in and bash that person.
Will prices go down ? sure but there is no way to predict how fast the prices go down and for the top of the line model it will allways be expensive and the units with less features will allways sell for less . People here make general statements like 1080p tvs being the main sellers in the next year and we don't know at what price things will level off .
People here like to fly off the handle and sprout bs foaming at the mouth and its getting tiring having to listen to every person say oh your a mod your not allowed to talk when they know they are wrong and are trying to look for a way around the conversation .
The last person who said that looked like an ass when he finaly read the thread through and realised it was him who missread everything even though he went off the handle on me .
This post once again a person didn't read the post correctly and was quick to attack my point of view off something he miss read .
My question is, why are you comparing current top of the line and future top of the line? Current top of the line will be tomorrow's low end, and as that happens more and more, greater amounts of people will buy HDTV's. It doesn't matter if the top of the line HDTV model costs $100,000 in 10 years if consumers can buy a decent HDTV for the same price they would currently buy a decent SDTV. I can go out now and buy a $200 DVD player, but I could also go out and buy a $25 DVD player. That same $25 DVD player would have cost over $100 a couple years ago.
yup i did , and your wrong . My first computer cost me 3k with out monitor and last year my fathers computer cost us 3 k with out monitor .Geeforcer said:
Even our microwave cost the same as it did when we got the first one . We bought our first microwave in 89 (i want to say ) for 200$ and we spent 180$ on our new one .
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