Blu-ray and ps3.

[Vince]

$6000 drive

Do you have problem reading ? It is $3,000 and how much do those DVD-RW keep and how fast do you fill them ?

Pana, don't waste your time... the guy's mentally handicapped.

He questions why Blu-Ray isn't "taking-off" yet, but then fails to see that there are no players currently on sale outside Japan (untill this does).

Then he's shifted from his pimping of the AOD format to standard CD/DVD-RW. What I want to know is what happened to the AOD steamroller starting on the PC that he predicted? Where'd it go?

He seems to so casually gloss over the fact that we were right and he was so very wrong (concerning AOD/Blu) and like a child that burns himself on the stove and goes back for more - is making more predictions.

 

[nondescript]

Who dug up this thread?

don't waste your time

That's why I stopped at page 4. You're not going to convert him, and even if you do, so what? Blu-ray is just the next step, just as DVD replaced multi-CD, and CDs replaced from multi-floppy, Blu-ray will do the same.

No matter how frenzied his gesticulations may be, what will happen, will happen. Just sit back and watch.

 

[Clashman]

Or blue-ray will replace DVD like laserdiscs replaced video tapes. Those were once superior technology with large amounts of industry backing, too.

 

[zidane1strife]

Or blue-ray will replace DVD like laserdiscs replaced video tapes. Those were once superior technology with large amounts of industry backing, too.

Those weren't likely to be the medium used by a console that could very well reach 200M units...

 

[Panajev2001a]

Laser-disc had some problems... one of them was the size and it didn't offer many features...

For the first time with Blu-Ray we have a High-Capacity format that can work as the TRUE Digital VCR, able to play streams while it records them ( different file system than DVDs AFAIK ) and able to record HDTV resolutions or lots of hours of DVD quality 480i streams in one single Re-Writeable disc who does not get worse in play-back quality the more you read the disc...

Transitioning from DVD to Blu-Ray will be easier than from VHS to DVD as the current leading format will be easily playable in Blu-Ray devices which are all being built with DVD backward-compatibility in mind...

How many Laser-disc players could play and record VHS tapes ?

Blu-Ray does not only offer much more space, but it also offers new features that the customers will care about once the hype machine of the Blu-Ray camp gets started...

 

[Clashman]

Or blue-ray will replace DVD like laserdiscs replaced video tapes. Those were once superior technology with large amounts of industry backing, too.

Those weren't likely to be the medium used by a console that could very well reach 200M units...

And it has yet to be demonstrated that blue-ray can be produced economically.

 

[Clashman]

Blu-Ray does not only offer much more space, but it also offers new features that the customers will care about once the hype machine of the Blu-Ray camp gets started...

But right there is perhaps the biggest problem of all. If blue-ray was going to be put in a console coming out two years from now they hype machine would have to have started already.

Flash back to 1998: DVD had so much more going for it than Blue-ray the two can't even be compared. Significant amounts of the population had DVD players either at home or on their computers. Every major movie title was coming out on DVD. DVD players only cost what decent VCRs had cost two years earlier. It had much more going for it than Blue ray players have now.

 

[Panajev2001a]

Let the PlayStation 3 be announced... the hype machine in Asia has started already and they have a HUGE industry backing ( and this format does not need to brainwash people... they will have reasons for liking it... )... and in the States people that are interested in that kind of technology knows about it...

Also they want to wait until we get closer to HDTVs as being basically mandated by law in the States...

There do not need to be movies coming out... having a true Digital VCR could sell Blu-Ray alone...

 

[jvd]

Let the PlayStation 3 be announced... the hype machine in Asia has started already and they have a HUGE industry backing ( and this format does not need to brainwash people... they will have reasons for liking it... )... and in the States people that are interested in that kind of technology knows about it...

Also they want to wait until we get closer to HDTVs as being basically mandated by law in the States...

There do not need to be movies coming out... having a true Digital VCR could sell Blu-Ray alone...

SO we will have to wait till 2010 for this tech to be needed ? Because 2010 is the last year they must broadcast in ntsc and 2007 is the first year they must broadcast in hdtv.

 

[PC-Engine]

LOL so now you're shifting to application???

Nobody was arguing application. Companies are finding applications for Nanotubes too and?

Try to remember what you, yourself, earlier said that started this whole debate. I'll refresh your memory since you don't seem to be able to:

Has anyone considered the development costs of filling a 25GB disk?????

Hmm... now, looking back over what I said concerning Team Soho's ability to capture some 50,000-odd digital photos that totalled 20GB in size - does it not seem to fit into the line of argument (concerning development costs [tangible and intagible] that Team Soho have already beared much of) that you started.

I don't even know what to say to you. Well, I do but I'll refrain.

Umm..how about games that contain art created from the ground up???? Digital photos don't require creation by the artist. It costs next to nothing to take pictures...

BTW get back to me when BD recorders are under $200

Regarding AOD, who's to stop NEC from making AOD drives???

You do realize than NEC was working on their own blue laser technology before they got together with Toshiba right? I also hope you know that Phase Changer recorders have been in existence before the DVD recorder standard was adopted. The AOD proposal being shot down isn't the end of that technology. Wouldn't it be funny if NEC releases a blue laser non-BD based drive for PC at around $250 while BD is struggling to gain marketshare with their $3000 PC drives?

 

[Psychogenics]

Let the PlayStation 3 be announced... the hype machine in Asia has started already and they have a HUGE industry backing ( and this format does not need to brainwash people... they will have reasons for liking it... )... and in the States people that are interested in that kind of technology knows about it...

Also they want to wait until we get closer to HDTVs as being basically mandated by law in the States...

There do not need to be movies coming out... having a true Digital VCR could sell Blu-Ray alone...

SO we will have to wait till 2010 for this tech to be needed ? Because 2010 is the last year they must broadcast in ntsc and 2007 is the first year they must broadcast in hdtv.

I don't know about 2007 ,,but I do know that in 2006 regular broadcasting is goind HD and right now your seeing programming station from cable starting to go HD so it won't be too long from now.

 

[jvd]

Let the PlayStation 3 be announced... the hype machine in Asia has started already and they have a HUGE industry backing ( and this format does not need to brainwash people... they will have reasons for liking it... )... and in the States people that are interested in that kind of technology knows about it...

Also they want to wait until we get closer to HDTVs as being basically mandated by law in the States...

There do not need to be movies coming out... having a true Digital VCR could sell Blu-Ray alone...

SO we will have to wait till 2010 for this tech to be needed ? Because 2010 is the last year they must broadcast in ntsc and 2007 is the first year they must broadcast in hdtv.

I don't know about 2007 ,,but I do know that in 2006 regular broadcasting is goind HD and right now your seeing programming station from cable starting to go HD so it won't be too long from now.

the law is for 2007.

 

[Psychogenics]

Then why is it that TV broadcasting will start changing over in 2006?

 

[Steve Dave Part Deux]

Because 2007 is the deadline.

 

[Clashman]

To my knowledge TV broadcasting has already started changing over, but we probably have different definitions of what that means. The deal is, if I understand correctly, that by 2007 stations must be broadcasting as much in HDTV as they do in standard signal. This does not mean you do half the day only in standard, and the other half in HDTV. It means that if your station is on 24 hours a day, and you are running a whole day's schedule on standard, you must have a separate signal being sent out in HDTV. Furthermore, federal regulations also stipulate that the earliest they can get rid of standard signal completely is 2010, (assuming this doesn't get pushed back as it has in the past). Even if the cut off date for switching off of standard doesn't get pushed back, I'm willing to bet that most stations will still be maintaining standard signal for some time even after that, as there will still be vast amounts of people, (read: advertising fodder), on standard signal. It could well be a good decade or more before HDTV really establishes itself in most U.S. homes. Given that, having HDTV recording capability on PS3, (and I think it's a stretch that this even happens), is about as useful as having digital audio out on a Super Nintendo. Sure, it may well be the future, but that doesn't mean anything right now.

 

[chaphack]

Bluray sluray, all i know for a format that you guys predict to take off in 2 years time(or at least appear in a cutting edge console), it sure is awfully quiet around. I mean when PS2 was to have a DVD drive, DVDs were already hotty hot. Where is the BR hype today i wonder.

I wont be surprise if SCE used a propertiery, larger UMD disc. It could be based off BR tech, but well, its PSP and PS3 only.

 

[marconelly!]

I wont be surprise if SCE used a propertiery, larger UMD disc. It could be based off BR tech, but well, its PSP and PS3 only.

Can UMD even be bigger, or is it a fixed size disc? Does it have to come in a protective casing? How would PS3 play DVDs then? To me, it sounds more plausible that they would use DVD again, instead of resorting to something so proprietary that it's not backwards compatible with anything.

Sure, it may well be the future, but that doesn't mean anything right now.

Who cares about right now when the soonest the console can come out is 2005, and by then, HDTV broadcast should already be aplenty (even today, there's lots of HDTV programming available, now that I think about it) For a console that's supposed to be on the market until 2010, it sure as heck better be prepared for the HDTV support, and why not, the HDTV recording.

 

[notAFanB]

I mean when PS2 was to have a DVD drive, DVDs were already hotty hot. Where is the BR hype today i wonder.

that's not strictly true, I beleive DVD uptake owes part of it's rapid penetration in Japan to the PS2 (fuzzy memeory here).

Hype of not if Sony put BR into PS3 you can bet the subsequent makert penetration won't be ignored by everyone else.

 

[Psychogenics]

Bluray sluray, all i know for a format that you guys predict to take off in 2 years time(or at least appear in a cutting edge console), it sure is awfully quiet around. I mean when PS2 was to have a DVD drive, DVDs were already hotty hot. Where is the BR hype today i wonder.

I wont be surprise if SCE used a propertiery, larger UMD disc. It could be based off BR tech, but well, its PSP and PS3 only.

PS2 made DVD hot very Hot if I remember correctly.....Made people want DVds and gave them a purpose to buy dvds which caused DVD player prices to fall.When PS2 came out there were only 2x DVD player out there
and when they compared the PS2 DVD capabilities they compared it to a $400+ DVD player....Right now Blu-ray will launch at $2500-$3000 and in two to three years they should be at $400-$600 USD.....SONY CAN MAKE IT MAINSTREAM and they do want to....But I guess it depends on what the american public are willing to spend.

 

[chaphack]

Sorry but it is the DVD that makes PS2 hot, not the other way round. If PS3 was to use BR and cometh 2005, then it sure is awfully quiet about BR. Think about it, DVDs prelaunch hype easily >>>>> BR prelaunch hype. It is hard to replace DVD overnight.

UMD are just UMD, Universal Media Disc. It can be larger with a caddy if SCE is to be right, and i believe its laser can play CDs and DVDs too.

Anyway, unlike some of you, i wont be so rigidly stuck in the mud claiming BR over other formats for PS3. A dual layer double sided DVDs would even be more cost effective, providing ample space.