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Sonic said:
Hey digi, it doesn't matter if other cars out there are faster than you. Just remember that you're faster than 90% of the cars on the road and you'll know you made the right purchase. You have a low 14 to high 13 second car in the quarter mile and that is pretty quick damn quick compared to most cars. Just remember that you will be even quicker around a track compared to cars that might be faster in a straight line.
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That and it's just sooo much bleeding fun to drive, that's what I keep remembering.

My wife actually told me the other day that she looks forward to the days she works now a bit just 'cause it means she gets to drive it.....it pays for itself right there. :)
 
Gee, sorry for not using C, S, SL, CLK, CLS, E, etc. in my post when referring to Mercedes cars. I am fully aware of these letters before the numbers. I am not confusing it with the lkes of a BMW 3, 5, 6, or 7 series. If I was then it would be obvious.

I'm talking about an E55 AMG here or an SL600 which are both very nice cars IMO. Anything less is what I'm referring to.

I apologize for not putting in the letters before the numbers. Does that make you feel better?
 
Sonic said:
Gee, sorry for not using C, S, SL, CLK, CLS, E, etc. in my post when referring to Mercedes cars. I am fully aware of these letters before the numbers. I am not confusing it with the lkes of a BMW 3, 5, 6, or 7 series. If I was then it would be obvious.

I'm talking about an E55 AMG here or an SL600 which are both very nice cars IMO. Anything less is what I'm referring to.

I apologize for not putting in the letters before the numbers. Does that make you feel better?
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well, you have once again demonstrated your lack of knowlege. The letter divides mercedes offerings into classes. A C320 and an E320 are totally different cars. An E320 and an E55 AMG have more in common than an E500 and an S500. The number is primarily used to indicate engine size but, of course, is also an indication of sandard and optional features.

have you ever even driven a Mercedes? I am pretty sure you haven't owned one unless it was a very long time ago. So, stop giving opinions on Mercedes because you dont have a clue what you're talking about.
 
I've driven plenty of Mercedes throughout my time. The last one I test drove was around two months ago and that was an SL600. There's really no reason for you to get so defensive with your posts. I'm not the most knowledgable on Mercedes products mainly because the majority of them I've driven have taken away the one major thing I look for in a car and that is having a solid feel of the road.
 
Sonic said:
I've driven plenty of Mercedes throughout my time. The last one I test drove was around two months ago and that was an SL600. There's really no reason for you to get so defensive with your posts. I'm not the most knowledgable on Mercedes products mainly because the majority of them I've driven have taken away the one major thing I look for in a car and that is having a solid feel of the road.
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well, I think you need to educate yourself a little more on Mercedes products before making wide-sweeping statements. And, I know what you mean when you say that Mercedes take away the solid feel of the road. If that's what you're looking for then you should get a sporty model, AMG model, or sport package. I drove a C230 (sedan, without sport package), an Audi A4, and a BMW 3-er (w/ sport package) back-to back. The BMW has, without a doubt, the best "feel". The Audi, surprisingly, came pretty close. The C230 put me off Mercedes bigtime even though it was by far the nicest interior. Then, however, I drove a C320 with the sport package. It's still a far cry from a BMW but, then, just about every car on the market is a far cry from a BMW. It's still a damned great car, though (but could put you to sleep much too easily if you leaned back and turned on the heated seats on a long trip... :))
 
Sage said:
Sonic said:
Are you saying there is no 500 series form Mercedes? I know full well of the the lesser models and I do not see the appeal.
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:LOL:

you clearly know NOTHING about Mercedes. 5-series is BMW. I think you should just leave this conversation right now if you dont even know the difference between Mercedes and BMW.
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http://www.mbusa.com/brand/models/SL500R.jsp
*cough*

and, the "lesser models" of BMW would be, in the US, limited to the 3-series which has been top-in-class for a very very long time.
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No, he's talking about Mercedes.
 
RussSchultz said:
http://www.mbusa.com/brand/models/SL500R.jsp
*cough*
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the "series" or "class" is SL. the 500 merely designates which SL it is. 500 is not a series, it is a sub-class identification. there are several 500's in several different classes, the only thing they have in common is a 5.0L engine. It's like making a statement saying "I dont think anything less than GT's are worth it" (and not meaning specifically the Ford GT) because there are about 3 billion different cars made by just as many different manufacturer that come in a "GT" model. I wouldnt take anyone who thought all cars with "GT" in their name are in the same series. Would you?

and, the "lesser models" of BMW would be, in the US, limited to the 3-series which has been top-in-class for a very very long time.
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No, he's talking about Mercedes.[/quote]

yes, but there is no 500-series Mercedes. Mercedes products are divided into series / classes with alpha characters (C, E, S, M, G, and variations such as CL, CLK, CLS, etc). BMW's are, however, divided into series by their most significant digit (1, 3, 5, 7) and some people like to add a "hundred" right before series. Like Mercedes, BMW's series are further identified within their class by the following digits which generally correspond to engine displacement although that doesnt always hold true for either manufacturer after the marketing monkies throw their foul poop at the names. So, I assumed that he was referring to the 5-series BMW since surely it wouldnt make much sense to classify cars purely on engine displacement, ignoring that they are from completely different series and, as such, have totally different frames, weight, features, etc.
 
Russ, Sonic -- Sage is absolutely right.

Sonic, if you say "500 series", it's like saying 3.5L Infiniti. I don't know what car you're talking about. You could be talking about any of 3 classes of coupes, 2 classes of sedan, 2 classes of SUV's, or even a roadster. You say, "no kidding" and "I know the diff between MB and BMW", but then why would you say something like that? Twice?

Furthermore, your statement makes it sound like the 500 version of all these various classes is fine, but anything less isn't. That doesn't make any sense at all.


Having said that, however, I have to agree with Sonic's assessment. MB is way overpriced for much of the product line, and it's really just for the image.

Sage, you say the BMW 3 series is top-in-class, but class should be defined by price. Plain and simple, the same amount of money spent elsewhere can get you a far better car as measured by any metric, with the exception of handling (not by much) and image.
 
Sonic said:
Are you saying there is no 500 series form Mercedes? I know full well of the the lesser models and I do not see the appeal.
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There are 500 engines, meaning (who would have thought?) 5l. These are usually to be found in an S- or M-class.
 
Mintmaster said:
Having said that, however, I have to agree with Sonic's assessment. MB is way overpriced for much of the product line, and it's really just for the image.
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If you knew what's under the hud, you'd never say something like that. Of course, image has some influence on the price, but it's not that huge.

Sage, you say the BMW 3 series is top-in-class, but class should be defined by price. Plain and simple, the same amount of money spent elsewhere can get you a far better car as measured by any metric, with the exception of handling (not by much) and image.
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BMW 3 _IS_ the best car in its class in every respect, bar none. The only car that comes near is the renewed C-class from 2005. Or which car do you consider being better than these two?
 
Yeah digi I wasn't trying to rain on your parade.

I love our car too, I have never even had a decent car let alone a fast one. I had a 78, and 85 corolla and a 93 minivan with no paint on most of it before :p.

I was planning to buy another cheap crappy old and boring car, but my wife new that I had wanted a WRX for years and said "Hey scott why don't you just buy a WRX" She didn't have to tell me twice :p
 
Sxotty said:
Yeah digi I wasn't trying to rain on your parade.
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Pffft! Don't worry about it, I don't think anyone CAN rain too badly on that particular parade-o-mine....it's just a source of too many smiles for me.

I love our car too, I have never even had a decent car let alone a fast one. I had a 78, and 85 corolla and a 93 minivan with no paint on most of it before :p.

I was planning to buy another cheap crappy old and boring car, but my wife new that I had wanted a WRX for years and said "Hey scott why don't you just buy a WRX" She didn't have to tell me twice :p
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Sounds like my wife and her talking about taking the Pathfinder/Quest in to get appraised. She joked about getting a 350Z, but I figured it was all just a joke.

You would have laughed if you saw my face when we were at the dealers and I figured out she was serious, it was shortly after I made her go test drive one. (I figured it might be her only chance to try one so what the hey)

The rest is history, and fun history at that. :)

The cashiers at her work told her the other day that whenever she works people always ask them who owns the Z in the parking lot. :LOL:
 
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PC-Engine said:
The new IS will give the new 3 series some serious competition.
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Yeah, the '99 3 series.
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BMW had/has QC issues.

Lexus's mistake with the first gen IS was that they made it too small yet way too heavy with a weaker engine, but they got the handling down pat. The new IS will have a bigger/stronger engine and more interior room. As a matter of fact the IS350 is even encroaching on M3 territory while costing $10K less. Lexus could easly release TRD tuned IS350GT to directly compete with the M3.
 
PC-Engine said:
_xxx_ said:
PC-Engine said:
The new IS will give the new 3 series some serious competition.
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Yeah, the '99 3 series.
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BMW had/has QC issues.

Lexus's mistake with the first gen IS was that they made it too small yet way too heavy with a weaker engine, but they got the handling down pat. The new IS will have a bigger/stronger engine and more interior room. As a matter of fact the IS350 is even encroaching on M3 territory while costing $10K less. Lexus could easly release TRD tuned IS350GT to directly compete with the M3.
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The tech used in that car is what BMW and Merc used in the late 90's. I won't go into technical details here, but the IS is nowhere near.

Feel free to think what you want, though... :)


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There is no car without any issues.
 
The 3 series is not a high tech car. But feel free to believe what you want.

Lexus doesn't have QC issues like BMW does. Goto the NHTSA website and look up BWW 3 series. Most of BMW's problems are electrical and everyone knows Germany isn't the electronics capitol of the world, Japan is.
 
PC-Engine said:
The 3 series is not a high tech car. But feel free to believe what you want.

Lexus doesn't have QC issues like BMW does. Goto the NHTSA website and look up BWW 3 series. Most of BMW's problems are electrical and everyone knows Germany isn't the electronics capitol of the world, Japan is.
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