Audi RS4 vs BMW M5
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Well then you simply don't really know what you're talking about
Go drive both and we'll talk afterwards. No other manufacturer has anything nearly as good as x-Drive out there at the moment.In that price range the fastest 0-60, the most lateral g ( 1.3g in the dry, 1.0g in the wet) , the fastest point to point car on any road and condition. One that blows a 997 Turbo into the weeds, that sort of thing.
To me the interior is too slabby and I would not have a sense of pride in owning it. Also, I would not be able to force myself to do 1.0g in the wet so the car would be wasted.
They are building specialist performance centres for them.
lol, you zany euro car guys...
nissans and toyotas don't need service. Never replaced a single part on any of my supra's(aside from perfomance parts)... and it was a 60,000 dollar toyota, in 1993... UNHEARD OF
while bmw's and audi's are great cars to drive(especially bmw)... in terms of reliability, they are light years away from the japs. Especially audi, god the passat was one of the most unreliable cars in america for 2 or 3 years running... isn't it just a a4 clone ?
Horseshit. This "mystique" of the Japanese cars, especially Toyota, is not backed up by facts. Yes, they've tended to require less warranty work and their superiority in this area was quite pronounced in the 80s and early 90s. It's no longer a huge gapand I've had plenty of Japanese cars with problems (1 Nissan, 1 Toyota, 1 Subaru and 1 Mazda each with chronic problems) and several German cars with absolutely none - including...drum roll please...2 Passats (2001 and 2001.5) that never had a single problem (though I had a '96 Passat GLX with the VR6 that had some issues).
What Japanese cars still lack is that handling the Germans achieve. I drove the newest G35x Infiniti and, while it had really tight handling, it was just off compared to driving a BMW for example.
All that said, I have two Japanese cars, one German and three US cars (those are all company cars that my sales people use).
I got to tell ya, those BMW 1-Series Coupe look very nice.
"Retro-futuristic", but nice.
"Retro-futuristic", but nice.
Fu3lFr3nzy
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For some reason, I dont like that look
I still prefer its big brother 335i (now that I find sexy
)
Just my opinion though
I still prefer its big brother 335i (now that I find sexy
)Just my opinion though
Well then you simply don't really know what you're talking about
No thanks, I'm not a prick so I have no desire to drive a Bimmer. Also, I don't exactly have the money to be looking at either brand, I drive a Saturn Ion for cryin out loud
Although I will admit the 335i TT is quite the bad-ass automobile. I'd still take a Lancer Evo or G35 (not G37) coupe though.
WhiningKhan
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Bollocks. At least in Europe, surveys and stats with Japanese cars on top are published continuously, like this one.
You think the individual cars you have owned give a better idea of car's reliability than nation-wide statistics?
Disclaimer: I drive French cars, not Japanese.
That's some darn-tootin', talented selective quoting you got going there Whining. Mayhap you'll go back and read the rest of my post, eh?
like maybe you missed this part?
I know, I know...hard to resist trying to make one's self appear to "win" the argument by ignoring the other's words...sooo tempting, but bollocks is what you've done.
WhiningKhan
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Oh, sorry, I didn't know your posts are the the Holy Word That Shall Always Be Repeated In Full.
Who's trying to win an argument? What argument? You made a claim that there are no facts, I provided some facts. No reason to get insulted about it.
Did you check the link? 3 faults per 100 cars for the best vs 97 faults per 100 for the weakest is 'no longer a huge gap'?
Now we might really have an argument soon.
Japanese cars, taken as a group, are still the most reliable. The difference is nowhere near as large are the 80s and 90s. Please don't ignore the BMW in that list of yours...and we were comparing Japanese to German and not Italian or French And that's one country. Most of the most unreliable aren't even available in the US.
Your selective editing made it sound like I didn't believe they were more reliable as a whole when my larger text made that explicitly clear.
And that's one country. Most of the most unreliable aren't even available in the US.Your selective editing made it sound like I didn't believe they were more reliable as a whole when my larger text made that explicitly clear.
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WhiningKhan
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Well yeah, comparing reliability of cars just by brand is pretty silly. There are more and less reliable models on each manufacturer. One needs to dig much deeper when trying to buy a reliable car.
That said - since the original topic was Audi vs. BMW, Audi's models in general do have more problems with reliability, both in light of stats and by the rumours from mechanics.
By the way, they have also some stats from US market. Full data is at http://www.reliabilityindex.co.uk/
That said - since the original topic was Audi vs. BMW, Audi's models in general do have more problems with reliability, both in light of stats and by the rumours from mechanics.
By the way, they have also some stats from US market. Full data is at http://www.reliabilityindex.co.uk/
LOL. By those USA stats Audi (US) is more reliable than BMW, Acura, Lexus (Toyota) and Infiniti (Nissan).
Point made!
Is it possible that drivers of more expensive cars notice more faults? Seriously. Why would Lexus be worse than Toyota?
Well, I've never used it, but, from what I understand you can call any SUV a "truck" so long as it weighs enough. Trucks can be deducted at a faster rate as a business expense - this was to help farmers - so any business with heavy SUVs can deduct their cost much more quickly. Any car can be deducted but only at a small amount per year based on its "useful life."
ShootMyMonkey
Veteran
That has little to do with any mechanical or technical capability on their part and more to do with their philosophies. The German definition of luxury is an enjoyable driving experience that puts you in control while at the same time surrounding you in some nicely appointed interior. Compare that to Lexus who feels luxury is about a dead-smooth dead quiet ride where it shouldn't feel like you're on a road in a car so much as in the shaft of a horizontal elevator. Toyota Camries and Honda Accords aren't meant to excite you -- they're meant to serve the purpose of being the everyman's (or for that matter everyfamily's) car that can be driven by anyone with a license and have room for your 2.5 kids. Handling is only part of the equation insofar as making something that behaves like a video game. Moreover, they're designed to have additional understeer because politicians feel that's safer. Compare that to a BMW, which you need to know what you're doing if you want it to be anything more than just a big sign that says "I can afford something this expensive." That's why everything with a Toyota label is FWD (and this includes the so-called 4WD trims, which are all FWD until you understeer on all 4 wheels), and why nothing with a BMW label is FWD.
Mazda seems to be getting it down, though. Particularly with the RX-8, but even with the FWD models, they actually have some pretty decent handling, and some stability out of them. To a certain extent, I'd also say this of Subaru, but you have to look for the right trim levels to get it.
If I had infinite amounts of money, I'd have gotten something more along the lines of the German philosophy even if not necessarily German, but I'll never come close to that kind of money in the whole of my life (hell, being a game programmer, I'll never get halfway there)... so instead, I own an entry-level Toyota FWD hatchback with a powertrain that is clearly underpowered for a car this size and weight... But you know what; It gets the job done, and I can get to work, I can carpool with some buddies, and I can carry a huge load of groceries, and that's enough. And it's because the Japanese can cover that end of the market so well (and the Germans never will) that they are as successful as they are.
