ATI to roll out R500 GPU (90nm) for Xbox 2 in 1Q 2005

[DeathKnight]

No, not really.

 

[m1nd_x]

m1nd_x:

I know I will end up kicking myself for responding to the post of a troll but...

> nintendo; decided to go with carts for the n64 instead of cd.,

What does that have to do with power?

> then there is the gamecube which has the worst 3rd party support of
> any major platform,.

What does that have to do with power?

> they made a rediculous controller that only work well with first party
> nintendo games...

What does that have to do with power?

> i mean seriously 2 games online? that you have to pay per month for?..

You have to pay for a Hunter's License on Xbox as well. In addition to the Xbox Live subscribtion fee.

1. i never said it had anything to do with power., thanks for responding., but next time read what i posted., i said nintendo is bound to screw up somehow.,

2. whats your point about paying a hunters fee? i played it on both xbox and gamecube., what i said was that they only have two games., that you have to pay for.. that isn't really too big into online-gaming if you ask me..

it's dumb for them to have a modem/ethernet card for only 2 games., i would've killed to play mario kart online, but they didn't add it., they have a new metroid coming out., with a killer multi-player apparently., not online., you mean to tell me thats not rediculous., not too many people like playing split screen., at least mario kart was able to have lan-play..

how do you figure me pointing things out makes me a troll? i guess you'd fit that since you just responded without throughouly reading what i posted and then spreading your, ummm.. whatever you call that when someone says a bunch of stuff without reading...

 

[m1nd_x]

btw, you don't think those gamecube games could be done better on xbox?.. you are going by graphical tastes obviously, seeing as you included 'paper mario'... also, i don't count multi-platform games, as they are always designed with the ps2 in mind which is a horrible way to make games... so, thats why soul calibur on xbox looks exactly like the gamecube version..

to be fair though, the xbox version of Soul Cal II did get 720p fullscreen. They didn't have to include it. Personally, I can't really tell the difference between 720p and 480p for Soul Cal II on my friend's hdtv. *shrug*

also the current resident evil games have pre-rendered backgrounds., thats kind of like cheating.

Doesn't RE4 have full 3d levels

yeah., i really didn't notice too much of a difference with soul calibur2., but like i said,. that was a ps2 port., which really doesn't do the gamecube justice., it could've been much better.,

and yeah., RE4 does have full 3d and looks awesome., but i said the current ones., since thats all people can really go by because the other one aren't released yet..

 

[m1nd_x]

m1nd_x

there are some [very few] graphically instense games on gamecube.. metriod prime, resident evil, ikaruga, splinter cell... but in all instances.. they don't compare to xbox games., it's like close., but no cigar... their games have bland textures, no advanced lighting techniques., etc etc., still good though..

Ikaruga one of the graphically intensive GC games? Basically you don't have a clue here and your just spouting fan-boy nonesense. Claiming that all GC games have bland textures ect.. You don't even have a clue about what the best looking GC games are never mind what kind of lighting or texture quality they have, you don't even own a GC do you? BTW here's a few of GC's best looking games:

Rogue Leader, Rebel Strike, F-Zero GX, Metroid Prime, Metroid Prime 2,, Wave Race, StarFox Adventure, Wind Waker, Final Fantasy, Res Evil 1, 0, 4 ect.

ps2 games look like old computers running geforce1 or 2's..
from worst to best it'd be like this

Nonesense, PS2 has some excellent looking games. There's no doubt that overall its below GC and XBox in terms of graphical quality, but it does have some games that stand out and come close to XBox and GC's best.

obviously you have seen the textures in metroid prime., either that or you just don't know what they are.. what kind of amazing textures did you see in wind waker? it's a cell-shaded game., everywhere where textures go., the game has that cartoony look to it., not bashing the game., i thought the style was amazing and i still have the game.. but, lets not get that confused with what were' talking about.. have you played ikaruga? or just seen pictures., the game isn't 100% over head., it does zoom in and you can see the good details it has., i bet you haven't played it.. btw., tell me which game on gamecube has excellent texturing., my brother still owns his gamecube and i'll rent it tonight..

f-zero., is an amazing looking game.., but., the game has bland [not bad, but bland] texturing., but it fits with the game because you are going to fast that it'd be a waste to have amazing textures when you're only going to see the objects for a split-second.. but if you slow down., you'll notice it..[i.e. stop]

i owned a gamecube., i still have lots of games for it, but i sold the console.. i needed money at the time., but i'm re-buying it when resident evil 4 comes out.. so, technically,. you're right., i don't own a gamecube., just 20 or so games at the moment..

have you seen games running on a geforce2? because if the answer is 'NO', then don't comment on that.. it's not so much an insult as it is the truth.. in fact, the computer i'm on right now has a geforce 2 in it., the games don't look horrible., but if i were to play FF11 on it., it would look exactly like the ps2 version no doubt., maybe a better frame-rate cause there is a ton of memory on this computer., but., blah.. you do know that the xbox only has a geforce3 in it right., i think that'd be a good comparison., so, you can say whatever you want in response., anyone that has a geforce 2 can confirm that it is about equal to ps2's graphics.. what would you compare it to?

give me a list of the best looking ps2 game you've played., i've played my share.. i think it'd be zone of enders, xenosaga... but, really what else is better than those two games on that console?

 

[m1nd_x]

nintendo; decided to go with carts for the n64 instead of cd., got screwed by sony when the ps1 came out as a console that was far more accessible..,

Screwed? If you are talking about marketshare (N64 relative to PS), you could say they got "screwed", but then the Gamecube and the Xbox are both getting "screwed" by the PS2. If you are talking about third party support, the N64 got "screwed" by the Playstation. If you are talking about first party game sales Nintendo "screwed" Sony, even though the Playstation had a bigger userbase. And finally (and most importantly), if you are talking about profits..... well you know how profitable Nintendo is.

then there is the gamecube which has the worst 3rd party support of any major platform,.

And yet, that didn't stop this from happening.

they made a rediculous controller that only work well with first party nintendo games...

Well, it is ridiculous in your opinion. In my opinion it is a very well designed and comfortable controller.

theres no doubt that the revolution have some kind of horrible controller for the system..

I think they might reuse the Gamecube controller for the Revolution (well at least I hope so).

and it will probably still have memory cards.,

The Playstation and the Playstation 2 uses memory cards...

nintendo is still half-assed in their approach to online gaming...

There is no guarantee that the current online strategy by Microsoft and Sony will ever go mainstream. There was an article that I read that said:

"Both companies have yet to prove they can pull in mainstream, as opposed to hard-core, gamers willing to pay to square off against opponents in cyberspace. Microsoft has more than 1 million subscribers worldwide for its Xbox Live service. Sony has more than 1.3 million registered online users in North America alone. These folks are mostly "hard-core, serious gamers," not average players, said Schelley Olhava, an analyst with International Data Corp."

Perhaps you are one of those hardcore gamers.

i mean seriously 2 games online? that you have to pay per month for?.. lamesville.. they're bound to screw up again.,

Lamesville? How old are you?

just as sony is sure to have a bunch of cheap parts in their system., and xbox2 will have a ton of pc ported games..

All of the consoles have cheap parts in them. Oh and BTW, be sure not to be too disappointed if the Xbox2 ships without a harddrive, uses memory cards as storage, and has the weakest hardware next generation. It's the games that matter.

1.if you did you homework you would know that nintendo and sony created a system which was cd based.. nintendo changed their mind, created the n64, a cart-based system.. sony went with the design they were working on with nintendo, threw a name on it, viola, the playstation is born..
do you still think nintendo isn't screwing themselves there? if they didn't make such a bad decision., right now., playstation wouldn't even exist., nintendo would still be #1.. maybe dreamcast wouldn't have gotten destroyed.. Xbox probably wouldn't exist.. GTA3 would've been created for GC first.. Final Fantasy 12 would be coming out for GC.. let that sink and then tell me they didn't screw themselves..

2. That has nothing to do with nintendo's 3rd party support.. what's your point..? everyone knows nintendo has the best 1st party titles.. thats given.. but, how often do they release 1st party titles? not nearly as often as a 3rd party title is released, which is pretty much every week.. 3rd party support can make or break a console.. thats why sony is where it is now,. with square-enix, rockstar, namco, capcom and EA.. sony' wouldn't really have any incentive for people to buy their console.. go back to #1, if nintendo didn't screw that up, they'd pretty much rule the videogame world and have 3rd party support out the ass..

btw., nintendo dominates the handhelds., theres no questioning that., the psp won't dent it at all IMO.. either way, that has nothing to do with the gamecube, xbox or ps2., thats pretty much a different sector of gaming.. i'm pretty sure overall the GBA is ahead of ps2 in sales, so.. the fact that two of their 1st party games are number 2 & 3 in sales should've been expected.. actually, i'm amazed they didn't get #1 and 2 respectively..

3.about the controller,. it's all opinion, i happen to like the two analogs of the dual shock and the controller-S for 3d games.. but, having the controller the way they do makes games feel awkward at best.. metroid would have been better if you could've used the c-stick in the way that people play regular fps games.. thats why that game had that wicked lock-on stuff., i felt like i was cheating when i shot things..

theres a chance they may reuse the controller, seeing as the revolution is going to be backwards compatable with gamecube games.. but, i read somewhere that they had something else in mind for a controller., which just brings up all kinds of weird thoughts because nintendo is hell bent on re-inventing the way we play games.. proof of that could be the nintendo ds, or even donkey kongo., i just got a bad feeling that they're going to do something weird.. which may end up being great, or insane... the deciding factor is how well it is recieved of course..

4. I hate memory cards., thats why i mentioned that.. i think MS brought in a good idea with the harddrive... $30 per memory card sucks., especially when there is no point in playing a game without one, unless it's a fighting game.. but nowadays,. fighting games have unlockables., so i guess i'll go with the are completely essential to having the console.. and they should come with a free one at the very least so it could be playable out of the box..

i'm not saying xbox has the best ideas., they are supposedly canning the harddrive idea.. but hell, i think that was the best idea they had., all the money that would've gone to memory cards affords me an XBL subscription and more games for all of my consoles.. for the next set of consoles, i think they should have a small harddrive built into all of them... like maybe a few hundred mb's devoted soley to streaming graphics and saving games..

5. of course online gaming isn't mainstream., not everyone enjoys them.. i know tons of people with games on their computer and a broadband connection that don't play online games.. it's just a preference., things don't need to be mainstream for them to be good.. if that were the case everyone in the world would only buy n'sync and britney spears albums because they're mainstream., but thats not the case., not everyone online is a 'hardcore' gamer.. they are just people that want to play the games online.. there are kids as young as 10 on., i guess they're ultra hardcore then?.. no, they just are making use of the service.. and compared to ps2's online thing., XBL is a complete success, when you consider the ps2 userbase is about 80 million., while xbox's is about 12-13 million., and then they have very close numbers of people playing their online games., which.. will change dramatically when halo2 comes out because all of the people playing it on XBConnect will actually have a good reason to go to XBL..

nintendo isn't even trying.. how is something going to become 'mainstream' when everyone involved isn't pushing the idea forward.. nintendo pretty much said that they aren't going to do anything until they find out how it can become mainstream., i.e., they're waiting for sony or ms to do something right., then they will copy.. i wish they had games online., especially the party titles, like wario wares, mariokart, mario party, smash bro's... etc etc.. i'd probably play that over XBL at this point..

-i said lamesville.. sue me.. i'm 22 btw..
-i don't care if the xbox2 has a harddrive., whats your point? you seem to think all i have is xbox on the mind.. i own all of the consoles., including, GB, GBA, Gamegear, genesis, jaguar, sega cd, turbo graphics 16, virtual boy. snes, nes, 32x, sega masters system, n64, ps1, ps2 [broken], xbox., saturn, dreamcast...

when the next set of consoles come out., i'll end up buying them all., the reason? it is all about the games IMO., and me playing anything good i can get my hands on.. only system i'm not going to get is the PSP..

i don't care if the xenon is the weakest, it's bound to have a few good games at the very least, if not a lot of them.. as will the revolution, and the ps3..

just because i find things annoying about consoles doesn't mean i don't play them.. ps2 has horrible graphics.. so? it still has a few good games., i still play my snes for gods sake and i play my GBA more than anything.. gamecube has horrible 3rd party support.. it's true.. but as i own both of the other consoles.. that would only matter to people that own a single console.. i can play whatever i want.. Xbox is fucking huge!!! does it matter? no, not when there are tons of other consoles side by side with it, all hooked up at the same time.. my room may be a mess, but.. thats my choice., people that only have one system can take my critisms to heart., but if you have the consoles as well as others, you are able to admit to it with lashing out on people..

 

[m1nd_x]

theres no doubt that the revolution have some kind of horrible controller for the system..

i dunno , nitendo controllers have allways felt good in my hands except for the super nes one . WHich is the damn controler sony picked to copy . The buttons are to close together , the fins hurt my hands . To me its the worse design controler of the last 2 gens fllowed closely by the xbox controler and then the original sega saturn controler

i think the gamecube controller works perfectly for every 1st/2nd party title., save for metroid prime.. but for other titles., maybe i'm an ass or something, but it feels forced.,

i happen to enjoy the xbox controller the best., though.. it isn't the best concieved controller., between the duke and the s-controller., it could've been better., on the s-controller., the black and white buttons are too recessed and hard to access., on the duke., the overall controller is just too huge., my dream controller would be a hybrid of the s-controller and the dual shock., with the black and white buttons on top of it would be great, but in the way the dual shock has it's triggers., along with everything else the s-controller has... that'd be a great controller., maybe with the start and back button in the middle..

honestly the best controller i've played with was a modified 3rd party controller.. if anyone has seen it, it's called the 'FPS Maaster' and basically the way it is set-up., you never have to take your thumbs off of the analog., because the A,B,X,Y,L and R are all in the back of the controller., the white and black buttons were accessable with my right-thumb without taking it off too..i have to take a knife to it though because of it's odd shape, so i could hold it properly...

 

[m1nd_x]

i think i got everybody, eh? 8)

 

[pahcman]

why , the consoles will be about a year apart . Did the cube and xbox have diffrent out put

Logically i would expect little immersive difference too, but as i told you, whats been said around here, have subconsciously sunk into back of my mind. No, i am fine with wishful thinking, its a clean thrill seeking out info and extraplotaing the possibilities.

But there are few select individuals who seem always vocal that a new gold mine have been discover, greatly invested and richly harvested. It will ushered in a new era of computing that "traditional" and "legacy" hardware will never match. I guess if they are so confident, then there must be grounds for that. If something thats continually spoken, then it must have good innovations. If else, there would be no point glossing it over other solutions, right?

Hence, i am keeping my beliefs open. As a consumer, i want to get every pennies worth.
If not, cant blame me for been a little disappointed, not as much as others though.

 

[Readykilowatt]

if you did you homework you would know that nintendo and sony created a system which was cd based.. nintendo changed their mind, created the n64, a cart-based system.. sony went with the design they were working on with nintendo, threw a name on it, viola, the playstation is born..
do you still think nintendo isn't screwing themselves there? if they didn't make such a bad decision., right now., playstation wouldn't even exist., nintendo would still be #1.. maybe dreamcast wouldn't have gotten destroyed.. Xbox probably wouldn't exist.. GTA3 would've been created for GC first.. Final Fantasy 12 would be coming out for GC.. let that sink and then tell me they didn't screw themselves..

If you don't realize how ridiculous this post is, there is no hope for you.

That has nothing to do with nintendo's 3rd party support.. what's your point..? everyone knows nintendo has the best 1st party titles.. thats given.. but, how often do they release 1st party titles? not nearly as often as a 3rd party title is released, which is pretty much every week.. 3rd party support can make or break a console.. thats why sony is where it is now,. with square-enix, rockstar, namco, capcom and EA.. sony' wouldn't really have any incentive for people to buy their console.. go back to #1, if nintendo didn't screw that up, they'd pretty much rule the videogame world and have 3rd party support out the ass..

The point is that even though the Gamecube, as you said, has the worst third party support, it still outsold the Xbox (which is said to have better third party support than the GCN) in 2003. If you also look at the list carefully you would also realize that there were no third party Xbox games in the top ten.

btw., nintendo dominates the handhelds., theres no questioning that., the psp won't dent it at all IMO.. either way, that has nothing to do with the gamecube, xbox or ps2., thats pretty much a different sector of gaming.. i'm pretty sure overall the GBA is ahead of ps2 in sales, so.. the fact that two of their 1st party games are number 2 & 3 in sales should've been expected.. actually, i'm amazed they didn't get #1 and 2 respectively..

I just love it when people try to separate "handheld gaming" from "console gaming". The Gamecube and the Gameboy are both consoles, it just so happens that the Gameboy is portable. But by following your logic, we should stop calling laptops that run the Windows OS personal computers.

about the controller,. it's all opinion, i happen to like the two analogs of the dual shock and the controller-S for 3d games.. but, having the controller the way they do makes games feel awkward at best.. metroid would have been better if you could've used the c-stick in the way that people play regular fps games.. thats why that game had that wicked lock-on stuff., i felt like i was cheating when i shot things..

Sorry, I can't argue an opinion.

theres a chance they may reuse the controller, seeing as the revolution is going to be backwards compatable with gamecube games.. but, i read somewhere that they had something else in mind for a controller., which just brings up all kinds of weird thoughts because nintendo is hell bent on re-inventing the way we play games.. proof of that could be the nintendo ds, or even donkey kongo., i just got a bad feeling that they're going to do something weird.. which may end up being great, or insane... the deciding factor is how well it is recieved of course..

Innovative = weird? If you say so...

I hate memory cards., thats why i mentioned that.. i think MS brought in a good idea with the harddrive... $30 per memory card sucks., especially when there is no point in playing a game without one, unless it's a fighting game.. but nowadays,. fighting games have unlockables., so i guess i'll go with the are completely essential to having the console.. and they should come with a free one at the very least so it could be playable out of the box..

Good for you, but so what? The 70 million PS2 owners and the 15 million Gamecube owners don't care.

i'm not saying xbox has the best ideas., they are supposedly canning the harddrive idea.. but hell, i think that was the best idea they had., all the money that would've gone to memory cards affords me an XBL subscription and more games for all of my consoles.. for the next set of consoles, i think they should have a small harddrive built into all of them... like maybe a few hundred mb's devoted soley to streaming graphics and saving games..

Many of the features that are built into the Xbox are considered to be good from some gamers points of view, but they are bad from a business point of view. Don't expect any of the next gen consoles to ship with a built in hard drive.

of course online gaming isn't mainstream., not everyone enjoys them.. i know tons of people with games on their computer and a broadband connection that don't play online games.. it's just a preference., things don't need to be mainstream for them to be good..

Bingo!! As for online gaming, I'm not saying that it will never become mainstream, I'm saying that the way how Microsoft and Sony implements online gaming may never go mainstream.

if that were the case everyone in the world would only buy n'sync and britney spears albums because they're mainstream., but thats not the case., not everyone online is a 'hardcore' gamer.. they are just people that want to play the games online.. there are kids as young as 10 on., i guess they're ultra hardcore then?.. no, they just are making use of the service.. and compared to ps2's online thing., XBL is a complete success, when you consider the ps2 userbase is about 80 million., while xbox's is about 12-13 million., and then they have very close numbers of people playing their online games., which.. will change dramatically when halo2 comes out because all of the people playing it on XBConnect will actually have a good reason to go to XBL..

What are you babbling about? The point is that online gaming (on consoles) is not mainstream.

nintendo isn't even trying.. how is something going to become 'mainstream' when everyone involved isn't pushing the idea forward.. nintendo pretty much said that they aren't going to do anything until they find out how it can become mainstream., i.e., they're waiting for sony or ms to do something right., then they will copy.. i wish they had games online., especially the party titles, like wario wares, mariokart, mario party, smash bro's... etc etc.. i'd probably play that over XBL at this point..

IIRC, Nintendo has tried online gaming in the past. What they are rejecting is Microsoft and Sony's strategy with respect to online gaming. We will see what strategy they will persue in the future.

-i said lamesville.. sue me.. i'm 22 btw..
-i don't care if the xbox2 has a harddrive., whats your point? you seem to think all i have is xbox on the mind.. i own all of the consoles., including, GB, GBA, Gamegear, genesis, jaguar, sega cd, turbo graphics 16, virtual boy. snes, nes, 32x, sega masters system, n64, ps1, ps2, xbox., saturn, dreamcast...

First you say this, "I hate memory cards., thats why i mentioned that.. i think MS brought in a good idea with the harddrive... $30 per memory card sucks., especially when there is no point in playing a game without one, unless it's a fighting game.. but nowadays,. fighting games have unlockables., so i guess i'll go with the are completely essential to having the console.. and they should come with a free one at the very least so it could be playable out of the box.." but then you say this, "i don't care if the xbox2 has a harddrive". Make up your mind.

i don't care if the xenon is the weakest, it's bound to have a few good games at the very least, if not a lot of them.. as will the revolution, and the ps3..

Are you sure?....... jk.

just because i find things annoying about consoles doesn't mean i don't play them.. ps2 has horrible graphics.. so?

Myth #1.

it still has a few good games., i still play my snes for gods sake and i play my GBA more than anything.. gamecube has horrible 3rd party support.. it's true.. but as i own both of the other consoles.. that would only matter to people that own a single console.. i can play whatever i want.. Xbox is fucking huge!!!

Myth #2. You certainly are on a (t)roll today.

does it matter? no, not when there are tons of other consoles side by side with it, all hooked up at the same time.. my room may be a mess, but.. thats my choice., people that only have one system can take my critisms to heart., but if you have the consoles as well as others, you are able to admit to it with lashing out on people..

As Teasy previously hinted to, I seriously doubt you own a Gamecube, but whatever you say....

 

[cybamerc]

m1nd_x:

> i never said it had anything to do with power.

You responded to a post talking about the power of Nintendo system. So either you're confused or a troll. Which is it?

> whats your point about paying a hunters fee?

You made it a point that you have to pay a fee to play these games by mentioning it.

 

[one]

if you did you homework you would know that nintendo and sony created a system which was cd based.. nintendo changed their mind, created the n64, a cart-based system.. sony went with the design they were working on with nintendo, threw a name on it, viola, the playstation is born..
do you still think nintendo isn't screwing themselves there? if they didn't make such a bad decision., right now., playstation wouldn't even exist., nintendo would still be #1.. maybe dreamcast wouldn't have gotten destroyed.. Xbox probably wouldn't exist.. GTA3 would've been created for GC first.. Final Fantasy 12 would be coming out for GC.. let that sink and then tell me they didn't screw themselves..

If you don't realize how ridiculous this post is, there is no hope for you.

Sorry I can't see your point either. What's wrong with that? Looks like you have no idea how Playstation was born.

The point is that even though the Gamecube, as you said, has the worst third party support, it still outsold the Xbox (which is said to have better third party support than the GCN) in 2003. If you also look at the list carefully you would also realize that there were no third party Xbox games in the top ten.

What list are you looking in? No Xbox games are in Top 10 2003 Annual Console Sales by NPD. For the ranking of the first half 2004 by NPD, you see Tecmo and Ubisoft there, which are surely in the Xbox-only Top 10. What first-party games do you have in mind for Xbox, except for Halo?

 

[Readykilowatt]

Sorry I can't see your point either. What's wrong with that? Looks like you have no idea how Playstation was born.

There is no hope for you neither.

What list are you looking in? No Xbox games are in Top 10 2003 Annual Console Sales by NPD. For the ranking of the first half 2004 by NPD, you see Tecmo and Ubisoft there, which are surely in the Xbox-only Top 10. What first-party games do you have in mind for Xbox, except for Halo?

I prefer to focus on the annual sales. Also what Mr. Troll, er... I mean, m1nd_x is saying, are things that have been repeatedly said by many people from as far back as 2002. Third party support (of which the Gamecube has alot) is very important in terms of increasing a console's marketshare, but as you can see by last year's figures, things like price cuts and the release of big first party titles are also important.

 

[m1nd_x]

do you guys really not know that the nintendo and sony developed the idea* for the playstation? so far thats two of you guys that questioned it, maybe you should read up on it.,

i'm not even exaggerating when i said the 'playstation' wouldn't exist if they didn't change thier mind.. it's the truth, the console that became the playstation would've been owned by nintendo..

here's a link]/url], it's not like i made it up..

edit: seems i suck at making links...
[url]http://www.emulationzone.org/consoles/snes/cdrom.htm

 

[one]

Sorry I can't see your point either. What's wrong with that? Looks like you have no idea how Playstation was born.

There is no hope for you neither.

So, you can't explain it in plain English. Okay I got it.

What list are you looking in? No Xbox games are in Top 10 2003 Annual Console Sales by NPD. For the ranking of the first half 2004 by NPD, you see Tecmo and Ubisoft there, which are surely in the Xbox-only Top 10. What first-party games do you have in mind for Xbox, except for Halo?

I prefer to focus on the annual sales. Also what Mr. Troll, er... I mean, m1nd_x is saying, are things that have been repeatedly said by many people from as far back as 2002. Third party support (of which the Gamecube has alot) is very important in terms of increasing a console's marketshare, but as you can see by last year's figures, things like price cuts and the release of big first party titles are also important.

Eh? Then what's your point again? Since you are the one who brought up Xbox argument in Nintendo discussion you have to back up you own words by stats, and you failed. Don't face away from the reality. Are you satisfied behaving as if you are exception free from "things that have been repeatedly said by many people from as far back as 2002"?

i'm not even exaggerating when i said the 'playstation' wouldn't exist if they didn't change thier mind.. it's the truth, the console that became the playstation would've been owned by nintendo..

In addition to that, SPC700 and PCM sound processor in SNES is designed and supplied by none other than Sony.

EDIT: Oops, the article briefly mentions it on the head

 

[pc999]

In defence of a built in HDD ( or something like ) when you buy a cross platform game for which console do you buy it?
I buy for XB because then I dont need to care about memory cards.
The pertinent point is who many gamers have 2 consoles to gave or not a good margin to MS.

BTW if you have to chosse betwen 2 consoles with HDD or 1 without the last one will be considered obsolet/outdated (and with poor sales) .Dont you agree?

 

[m1nd_x]

if you did you homework you would know that nintendo and sony created a system which was cd based.. nintendo changed their mind, created the n64, a cart-based system.. sony went with the design they were working on with nintendo, threw a name on it, viola, the playstation is born..
do you still think nintendo isn't screwing themselves there? if they didn't make such a bad decision., right now., playstation wouldn't even exist., nintendo would still be #1.. maybe dreamcast wouldn't have gotten destroyed.. Xbox probably wouldn't exist.. GTA3 would've been created for GC first.. Final Fantasy 12 would be coming out for GC.. let that sink and then tell me they didn't screw themselves..

If you don't realize how ridiculous this post is, there is no hope for you.

That has nothing to do with nintendo's 3rd party support.. what's your point..? everyone knows nintendo has the best 1st party titles.. thats given.. but, how often do they release 1st party titles? not nearly as often as a 3rd party title is released, which is pretty much every week.. 3rd party support can make or break a console.. thats why sony is where it is now,. with square-enix, rockstar, namco, capcom and EA.. sony' wouldn't really have any incentive for people to buy their console.. go back to #1, if nintendo didn't screw that up, they'd pretty much rule the videogame world and have 3rd party support out the ass..

The point is that even though the Gamecube, as you said, has the worst third party support, it still outsold the Xbox (which is said to have better third party support than the GCN) in 2003. If you also look at the list carefully you would also realize that there were no third party Xbox games in the top ten.

btw., nintendo dominates the handhelds., theres no questioning that., the psp won't dent it at all IMO.. either way, that has nothing to do with the gamecube, xbox or ps2., thats pretty much a different sector of gaming.. i'm pretty sure overall the GBA is ahead of ps2 in sales, so.. the fact that two of their 1st party games are number 2 & 3 in sales should've been expected.. actually, i'm amazed they didn't get #1 and 2 respectively..

I just love it when people try to separate "handheld gaming" from "console gaming". The Gamecube and the Gameboy are both consoles, it just so happens that the Gameboy is portable. But by following your logic, we should stop calling laptops that run the Windows OS personal computers.

about the controller,. it's all opinion, i happen to like the two analogs of the dual shock and the controller-S for 3d games.. but, having the controller the way they do makes games feel awkward at best.. metroid would have been better if you could've used the c-stick in the way that people play regular fps games.. thats why that game had that wicked lock-on stuff., i felt like i was cheating when i shot things..

Sorry, I can't argue an opinion.

theres a chance they may reuse the controller, seeing as the revolution is going to be backwards compatable with gamecube games.. but, i read somewhere that they had something else in mind for a controller., which just brings up all kinds of weird thoughts because nintendo is hell bent on re-inventing the way we play games.. proof of that could be the nintendo ds, or even donkey kongo., i just got a bad feeling that they're going to do something weird.. which may end up being great, or insane... the deciding factor is how well it is recieved of course..

Innovative = weird? If you say so...

I hate memory cards., thats why i mentioned that.. i think MS brought in a good idea with the harddrive... $30 per memory card sucks., especially when there is no point in playing a game without one, unless it's a fighting game.. but nowadays,. fighting games have unlockables., so i guess i'll go with the are completely essential to having the console.. and they should come with a free one at the very least so it could be playable out of the box..

Good for you, but so what? The 70 million PS2 owners and the 15 million Gamecube owners don't care.

i'm not saying xbox has the best ideas., they are supposedly canning the harddrive idea.. but hell, i think that was the best idea they had., all the money that would've gone to memory cards affords me an XBL subscription and more games for all of my consoles.. for the next set of consoles, i think they should have a small harddrive built into all of them... like maybe a few hundred mb's devoted soley to streaming graphics and saving games..

Many of the features that are built into the Xbox are considered to be good from some gamers points of view, but they are bad from a business point of view. Don't expect any of the next gen consoles to ship with a built in hard drive.

of course online gaming isn't mainstream., not everyone enjoys them.. i know tons of people with games on their computer and a broadband connection that don't play online games.. it's just a preference., things don't need to be mainstream for them to be good..

Bingo!! As for online gaming, I'm not saying that it will never become mainstream, I'm saying that the way how Microsoft and Sony implements online gaming may never go mainstream.

if that were the case everyone in the world would only buy n'sync and britney spears albums because they're mainstream., but thats not the case., not everyone online is a 'hardcore' gamer.. they are just people that want to play the games online.. there are kids as young as 10 on., i guess they're ultra hardcore then?.. no, they just are making use of the service.. and compared to ps2's online thing., XBL is a complete success, when you consider the ps2 userbase is about 80 million., while xbox's is about 12-13 million., and then they have very close numbers of people playing their online games., which.. will change dramatically when halo2 comes out because all of the people playing it on XBConnect will actually have a good reason to go to XBL..

What are you babbling about? The point is that online gaming (on consoles) is not mainstream.

nintendo isn't even trying.. how is something going to become 'mainstream' when everyone involved isn't pushing the idea forward.. nintendo pretty much said that they aren't going to do anything until they find out how it can become mainstream., i.e., they're waiting for sony or ms to do something right., then they will copy.. i wish they had games online., especially the party titles, like wario wares, mariokart, mario party, smash bro's... etc etc.. i'd probably play that over XBL at this point..

IIRC, Nintendo has tried online gaming in the past. What they are rejecting is Microsoft and Sony's strategy with respect to online gaming. We will see what strategy they will persue in the future.

-i said lamesville.. sue me.. i'm 22 btw..
-i don't care if the xbox2 has a harddrive., whats your point? you seem to think all i have is xbox on the mind.. i own all of the consoles., including, GB, GBA, Gamegear, genesis, jaguar, sega cd, turbo graphics 16, virtual boy. snes, nes, 32x, sega masters system, n64, ps1, ps2, xbox., saturn, dreamcast...

First you say this, "I hate memory cards., thats why i mentioned that.. i think MS brought in a good idea with the harddrive... $30 per memory card sucks., especially when there is no point in playing a game without one, unless it's a fighting game.. but nowadays,. fighting games have unlockables., so i guess i'll go with the are completely essential to having the console.. and they should come with a free one at the very least so it could be playable out of the box.." but then you say this, "i don't care if the xbox2 has a harddrive". Make up your mind.

i don't care if the xenon is the weakest, it's bound to have a few good games at the very least, if not a lot of them.. as will the revolution, and the ps3..

Are you sure?....... jk.

just because i find things annoying about consoles doesn't mean i don't play them.. ps2 has horrible graphics.. so?

Myth #1.

it still has a few good games., i still play my snes for gods sake and i play my GBA more than anything.. gamecube has horrible 3rd party support.. it's true.. but as i own both of the other consoles.. that would only matter to people that own a single console.. i can play whatever i want.. Xbox is fucking huge!!!

Myth #2. You certainly are on a (t)roll today.

does it matter? no, not when there are tons of other consoles side by side with it, all hooked up at the same time.. my room may be a mess, but.. thats my choice., people that only have one system can take my critisms to heart., but if you have the consoles as well as others, you are able to admit to it with lashing out on people..

As Teasy previously hinted to, I seriously doubt you own a Gamecube, but whatever you say....

why are you telling the xbox games weren't on the list? i can clearly see that, i never said they were on the list.. or did I? completely don't remember it.. so, NO... the point isn't "even though the Gamecube, as you said, has the worst third party support, it still outsold the Xbox ", because that has nothing at all to do with what i was talking about, i never mentioned the xbox at all when i was talking about 3rd party support, so why would you mention it or even insinuate it? like i said, 3rd party support can make or break a console, when games like Madden, which i despise because of their release it every year with tiny updates model, are #1.. there is no denying nintendo wouldn't be in a better position if they had better 3rd party support.. that comment has nothing to do with 1st party titles.. STOP MENTIONING IT! If you can read that without taking it as a flame... or me being a troll.. you'll understand that it makes sense..

"Innovative = weird? If you say so... "
okay, for instance.. the eye-toy by sony, is fucking weird... is it innovative? yes.. get the point.. donkey konga has a friggen drum for a controller.. weird? yes!.. innovative? sure, i dunno.. who else makes these.. nintendo's current controller... weird? compared to the other consoles controllers, sorta.. innovative..? some might say so..

no take those three ideas coined by videogaming.. videocamera controller, drum controller, regular controller.. thats a wide spectrum of ideas... if nintendo says they're going to do something 'revolutionary'.. they are pretty much saying 'innovative'.. so that makes me think that their ideas for a new controller could be anything under the sun, including those three things.. would you not find it weird if nintendo's next console launched with a friggen 'video camera' for a controller? not saying they will, cause i obviously am speculating.. but, do you get my point now?

re: myth #1... it's obviously my opinion,. i compare it to gamecube, xbox, and my gaming computer i have in storage at the moment.. if you think the graphics are great.. good for you.. i find a few of the games.. that i listed to be outstanding, you obviously have different standards than i do.. i'm not going to knock them.. like i said before, list these games for me.. i'd like to check them out because i haven't played that many [i only listed two] that were impressive to me..

re: myth #2... thats not a myth sorry, ask anyone on these boards.. nintendos 3rd party exclusives are few and far between,. and when we're talking about multi-console releases., generally things go to ps2 or xbox first if they are anything worth worrying about.. then there are the non-exclusive 3rd party games that just don't come to gamecube because lots of developers/publishers don't want to take a risk when with ps2 they is no way they can't make a mint if their game is good.. i'll supply some links.. some are old and the only company so far to go back on their word was EA..
-http://www.nintelligent.net/news759.php
-http://www.nintelligent.net/news1383.php
-http://www.n-sider.com/articleview.php?articleid=31

make sure you read the 3rd one, because the other two are just news clips..

When i said i hate memory cards.. i meant it.. i have three of them for gamecube.. the one that came with animal crossing, the regular small storage one., and a generic 3rd party 10x storage one.. so, obviously my hate for it isn't going to stop my decision to purchase a console.. just means i won't be buying as many games because the more games you own the more memory cards you need.. i have a hard time making a judgement call about deleting saves, so i in fact need to buy more if i get more games..

realize this., between my n64, ps1, ps2, gamecube and dreamcast.. i already have an ass load of memory cards., with the money i spent on them... probably around $300-$400., i could've purchased a few more gamees with., a few imported handhelds..

the reason i said "I don't care if the xenon has a harddrive..." is because, i'll purchase it regardless.. just like i'm going to purchase the ps3 regardless of it it has a harddrive, and the 'revolution' whether or not it has one.. did you read what i posted? i'm pretty sure i said i was getting them all anyways... i'd kill to play the next morrowind., and i'm done upgrading my other computer, too much money in pc games for cheap people like me.. so i'm getting a xenon, which with all that xna crap, should have a lot of pc games available.. though i didn't enjoy vice city, but i loved GTA3.. and San Andreas looks sweet., i wanna play whatever they're making for ps3.. to see what rockstar can actually do with a more capable system will be nice.. because there was a good difference between GTA3 on pc, and then on ps2., which shows me that they have the potential to do more.. nintendo's 1st party titles are the best.. i've purchased every nintendo console released in the US since their inception,. so i'm going to do the same next generation... my point? i don't care if it has a hardrive, but if it did, that'd be great because that means more money in my pocket, and less money i have to drop the day the systems ship.. but, i expect it to have a memory card.. having worked at two videogame stores in the past.. around the christmas season, when the most consoles are sold.. i know for a fact why nintendo and sony have them... they make an ass load of money., from october to january., when i worked at toys r us., they sold probably 1000 ps2's.. each one, people purchased at least one game.. at the least, 1 memory card.. my job was customer assistance, and they want me to sell more of the 'accessories' [which is a bad name for things that are essential to the console] so, most people that left there when i was working left with 3-4 memory cards., meaning 2 for ps2 games and 2 for the ps1 games.. and with gamecube., of course i pushed the bigger memory card.. 251? something like that.. blah

what part of "me buying all 3 next-gen platforms" do you* not understand?

-also, whether or not you beliebe i have a gamecube isn't going to ruin or brighten up my day.. but, if you read what i posted, i said i DONT have one at this moment.., i sold it to pay for a car insurance surcharge after i quit a job,. and well, i wasn't out of work for long, but i still buy games for gamecube, my brother and my friend have a gamecube for me to play my games on if i want.. but, i'm waiting for resident evil 4 to come out before i purchase another for myself.. i have no way of proving it other than giving at bit of information from one of my favorite games., in animal crossing.. every weekend there is a dude that shows up and plays a song for you that you can take off of him and play it in your house in your radio., the houses have 3 floors when maxed out and tons of roaches when you don't move things around often enough.. also, everytime you upgrade your house, the dude that sells things [forgot his name, think it was nook?] upgrades his shop as well.. also, if you make a shirt that looks cool and you post it on a post in outside somwhere, the other animals will start to wear it.. if you visit a town via train [someone else's saved game] an animal from your town will move to their game., and a new one will move in...

if thats not proof that i played the game religiously, therefore, denoting that i owned the console,. i can't help you anymore..

 

[Readykilowatt]

do you guys really not know that the nintendo and sony developed the idea* for the playstation? so far thats two of you guys that questioned it, maybe you should read up on it.,

i'm not even exaggerating when i said the 'playstation' wouldn't exist if they didn't change thier mind.. it's the truth, the console that became the playstation would've been owned by nintendo..

You're still lost. I'm not suprised.

So, you can't explain it in plain English. Okay I got it.

Eh? Then what's your point again? Since you are the one who brought up Xbox argument in Nintendo discussion you have to back up you own words by stats, and you failed. Don't face away from the reality. Are you satisfied behaving as if you are exception free from "things that have been repeatedly said by many people from as far back as 2002"?

It seems that you have difficulty in comprehending what you read. Here is some advice, do not partake in a discussion that you do not fully understand.

 

[m1nd_x]

Sorry I can't see your point either. What's wrong with that? Looks like you have no idea how Playstation was born.

I prefer to focus on the annual sales. Also what Mr. Troll, er... I mean, m1nd_x is saying, are things that have been repeatedly said by many people from as far back as 2002. Third party support (of which the Gamecube has alot) is very important in terms of increasing a console's marketshare, but as you can see by last year's figures, things like price cuts and the release of big first party titles are also important.

so, basically you went against my statement that "gamecube has bad 3rd party support", by saying... oooh look, but they sold lots of first party titles!!!!!

you do realize that you haven't proved me wrong. 'eh?

and for that first thing., make sure you read up on the sony/nintendo deal that everyone in the world besides you knows about...

edit: wow, i just realized how to "quote" without looking like an asshole and taking up the whole page.. sorry about that.

 

[m1nd_x]

You're still lost. I'm not suprised.

how about instead of posting posts devoid of any kind of meaning you try the opposite.. show me how i'm wrong, i'm not afraid to admit when i'm wrong. but, you making dumb posts like that isn't going to help.

 

[Sonic]

mind_x, you're walking on thin water here. Stop trolling the boards with overexpansive posts that go off topic.