Evil_Cloud
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cybamerc said:
I am just saying Nintendo has sometimes been behind the technological timeframe...
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I am just saying Nintendo has sometimes been behind the technological timeframe...
pahcman said:Everything will be clear soon. Lets be patient.
If all 3 have similar output, i will be disappointed. I certainly expect one of them to, clearly, lead the pack in how we can be immersed in nextgen games goodness. Who wouldnt? after all that have been said and done about pushing a new innovative architecture, designed ground up for next generation enjoyment.
why , the consoles will be about a year apart . Did the cube and xbox have diffrent out put ? The best xbox games look like the best cube games , and the best ps2 games come close to both of them. Hell even the dc with its short year and a half of dev time comes close to the other 3 consoles and considering it was the oldest and cheapest to make , i doubt we will see any diffrence this gen .
nintendo; decided to go with carts for the n64 instead of cd., got screwed by sony when the ps1 came out as a console that was far more accessible.., then there is the gamecube which has the worst 3rd party support of any major platform,. they made a rediculous controller that only work well with first party nintendo games... theres no doubt that the revolution have some kind of horrible controller for the system.. and it will probably still have memory cards., nintendo is still half-assed in their approach to online gaming... i mean seriously 2 games online? that you have to pay per month for?.. lamesville.. they're bound to screw up again., just as sony is sure to have a bunch of cheap parts in their system., and xbox2 will have a ton of pc ported games..Evil_Cloud said:
jvd said:pahcman said:Everything will be clear soon. Lets be patient.
If all 3 have similar output, i will be disappointed. I certainly expect one of them to, clearly, lead the pack in how we can be immersed in nextgen games goodness. Who wouldnt? after all that have been said and done about pushing a new innovative architecture, designed ground up for next generation enjoyment.
why , the consoles will be about a year apart . Did the cube and xbox have diffrent out put ? The best xbox games look like the best cube games , and the best ps2 games come close to both of them. Hell even the dc with its short year and a half of dev time comes close to the other 3 consoles and considering it was the oldest and cheapest to make , i doubt we will see any diffrence this gen .
wow., really,.. what games on xbox, gc and ps2 have you been playing?
i thought DC games looked better than ps2 titles.. but others disagree..
there are some [very few] graphically instense games on gamecube.. metriod prime, resident evil, ikaruga, splinter cell... but in all instances.. they don't compare to xbox games., it's like close., but no cigar... their games have bland textures, no advanced lighting techniques., etc etc., still good though..
xbox games graphics look like med-high powered pc games., but with slower frame rates.. and the resolution doesn't matter too much because most people play it on a regular tv., and 480p is decent., 720p is better..
ps2 games look like old computers running geforce1 or 2's..
from worst to best it'd be like this...
<-dc-ps2---------------------gamecube----xbox------------highend pc-->
i'm not going to get into a fight over this , but zelda (the one thats out ) metriod prime , paper mario soul caliber 2 all look as good as games of the same deisgn from xbox , the new re4 and zelda look better than most xbox games i've seen .
disagree , look at morrowind pc - xbox , farcry pc - xbox , doom3 pc- xbox , halo pc -xbox . If anything xbox looks like very low power pc games .
morrowind was a rushed port., and the only reason it looks better on pc is because you are able to upgrade your graphics card whenever you want... and halo pc came out way after the xbox version,. so, why wouldn't it look better... you haven't seen doom3 or farcry., as they are both not out yet..jvd said:
btw, you don't think those gamecube games could be done better on xbox?.. you are going by graphical tastes obviously, seeing as you included 'paper mario'... also, i don't count multi-platform games, as they are always designed with the ps2 in mind which is a horrible way to make games... so, thats why soul calibur on xbox looks exactly like the gamecube version..
how many games have you seen on gamecube that can compare to ninja gaiden, otogi, panzer dragoon orta, or even the old doa3 for that matter?
you are judging the system based off of art style alone., the current zelda game could've been done on ps2.. it looks good., but the style isn't really even pushing the system.. also the current resident evil games have pre-rendered backgrounds., thats kind of like cheating., but besides that., i'll stop bitching..
m1nd_x said:
to be fair though, the xbox version of Soul Cal II did get 720p fullscreen. They didn't have to include it.
Personally, I can't really tell the difference between 720p and 480p for Soul Cal II on my friend's hdtv. *shrug*Doesn't RE4 have full 3d levels
Actually, I understand the 720p mode of Soul Calibur 2 on the Xbox had black bars on the sides. So it couldn't properly be called 720p, which is a 16:9 format.
ESPN MLB 2K5 last spring would have problems online trying to play in 720p mode so they had to disable it before going online.
ESPN NBA 2K4 had 720p mode. ESPN NBA 2K5, which just came out, no longer has 720p mode.
Really, HD gaming is going to have to wait for more horsepower than the current consoles.
ESPN MLB 2K5 last spring would have problems online trying to play in 720p mode so they had to disable it before going online.
ESPN NBA 2K4 had 720p mode. ESPN NBA 2K5, which just came out, no longer has 720p mode.
Really, HD gaming is going to have to wait for more horsepower than the current consoles.
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Screwed? If you are talking about marketshare (N64 relative to PS), you could say they got "screwed", but then the Gamecube and the Xbox are both getting "screwed" by the PS2. If you are talking about third party support, the N64 got "screwed" by the Playstation. If you are talking about first party game sales Nintendo "screwed" Sony, even though the Playstation had a bigger userbase. And finally (and most importantly), if you are talking about profits..... well you know how profitable Nintendo is.
And yet, that didn't stop this from happening.
Well, it is ridiculous in your opinion. In my opinion it is a very well designed and comfortable controller.
I think they might reuse the Gamecube controller for the Revolution (well at least I hope so).
The Playstation and the Playstation 2 uses memory cards...
There is no guarantee that the current online strategy by Microsoft and Sony will ever go mainstream. There was an article that I read that said:
"Both companies have yet to prove they can pull in mainstream, as opposed to hard-core, gamers willing to pay to square off against opponents in cyberspace. Microsoft has more than 1 million subscribers worldwide for its Xbox Live service. Sony has more than 1.3 million registered online users in North America alone. These folks are mostly "hard-core, serious gamers," not average players, said Schelley Olhava, an analyst with International Data Corp."
Perhaps you are one of those hardcore gamers.
Lamesville?
How old are you?All of the consoles have cheap parts in them. Oh and BTW, be sure not to be too disappointed if the Xbox2 ships without a harddrive, uses memory cards as storage, and has the weakest hardware next generation. It's the games that matter.
i dunno , nitendo controllers have allways felt good in my hands except for the super nes one . WHich is the damn controler sony picked to copy . The buttons are to close together , the fins hurt my hands . To me its the worse design controler of the last 2 gens fllowed closely by the xbox controler and then the original sega saturn controler
m1nd_x:
I know I will end up kicking myself for responding to the post of a troll but...
> nintendo; decided to go with carts for the n64 instead of cd.,
What does that have to do with power?
> then there is the gamecube which has the worst 3rd party support of
> any major platform,.
What does that have to do with power?
> they made a rediculous controller that only work well with first party
> nintendo games...
What does that have to do with power?
> i mean seriously 2 games online? that you have to pay per month for?..
You have to pay for a Hunter's License on Xbox as well. In addition to the Xbox Live subscribtion fee.
I know I will end up kicking myself for responding to the post of a troll but...
> nintendo; decided to go with carts for the n64 instead of cd.,
What does that have to do with power?
> then there is the gamecube which has the worst 3rd party support of
> any major platform,.
What does that have to do with power?
> they made a rediculous controller that only work well with first party
> nintendo games...
What does that have to do with power?
> i mean seriously 2 games online? that you have to pay per month for?..
You have to pay for a Hunter's License on Xbox as well. In addition to the Xbox Live subscribtion fee.
cybamerc said:
If you count how much a game can represent game designer 's creative vision as console's 'power', CD/cart difference is huge. At least Square thought so, and moved from Nintendo camp to PlayStation. It's practically the end of Nintendo reign. If Nintendo could adopt CD-ROM without breaking up with Sony (or Philips), Final Fantasy 7 would actualize on Nintendo platform as SGI FF demo indicated then.
At the time sm64 couldnt be done on cd with only 4mb of ram.m1nd_x said:
Your controller preferance has more to do with which console you spend most time with. In my opinion gamecube has the best contoller.
Its not that the contoller doesnt work well with 3rd party titles, its 3rd parties that fail to work their games around the controller.
cybamerc said:
Too offtopic, but couldn't resist
Please elaborate your 'limitation'. Arbitrarily fixed high price of ROM cartridge offloaded to consumers?
Game console is cost-ridden embedded machine. And monopolistic Nintendo just tripped over this engineering principle, and consumer went away. To borrow your words, Nintendo's 'limitation' is wrong limitation that costed its status, and not every system necessarily has this kind of 'limitation'. Megadrive1988
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the report seems somewhat believable. I'm referring to the topic.
Xbox 2 was meant to have a VPU in the same family as the R400/R500/R600
and not the R420/R520.
my best guess is that the Xbox 2 graphics processor is inbetween R500 and R600 much like Xbox NV2A was in between NV20 and NV25.
however the Xbox 2 graphics processor probably has some things that are not even going to be in R600, much like the Xbox GPU had some things that were not in NV25. probably one thing is the embedded memory,
sorry for stating the obvious. sometimes i am indeed captain obvious
Xbox 2 was meant to have a VPU in the same family as the R400/R500/R600
and not the R420/R520.
my best guess is that the Xbox 2 graphics processor is inbetween R500 and R600 much like Xbox NV2A was in between NV20 and NV25.
however the Xbox 2 graphics processor probably has some things that are not even going to be in R600, much like the Xbox GPU had some things that were not in NV25. probably one thing is the embedded memory,
sorry for stating the obvious. sometimes i am indeed captain obvious
m1nd_x
Ikaruga one of the graphically intensive GC games? Basically you don't have a clue here and your just spouting fan-boy nonesense. Claiming that all GC games have bland textures ect.. You don't even have a clue about what the best looking GC games are never mind what kind of lighting or texture quality they have, you don't even own a GC do you? BTW here's a few of GC's best looking games:
Rogue Leader, Rebel Strike, F-Zero GX, Metroid Prime, Metroid Prime 2,, Wave Race, StarFox Adventure, Wind Waker, Final Fantasy, Res Evil 1, 0, 4 ect.
Nonesense, PS2 has some excellent looking games. There's no doubt that overall its below GC and XBox in terms of graphical quality, but it does have some games that stand out and come close to XBox and GC's best.
Ikaruga one of the graphically intensive GC games?
Basically you don't have a clue here and your just spouting fan-boy nonesense. Claiming that all GC games have bland textures ect.. You don't even have a clue about what the best looking GC games are never mind what kind of lighting or texture quality they have, you don't even own a GC do you? BTW here's a few of GC's best looking games:Rogue Leader, Rebel Strike, F-Zero GX, Metroid Prime, Metroid Prime 2,, Wave Race, StarFox Adventure, Wind Waker, Final Fantasy, Res Evil 1, 0, 4 ect.
Nonesense, PS2 has some excellent looking games. There's no doubt that overall its below GC and XBox in terms of graphical quality, but it does have some games that stand out and come close to XBox and GC's best.
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